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by Moonwood the Hare
Sun May 05, 2019 12:53 pm
Forum: Discussion forum
Topic: Observations and notes regarding On the Historicity of Jesus, by Richard Carrier
Replies: 172
Views: 2405

Re: Observations and notes regarding On the Historicity of Jesus, by Richard Carrier

The difference was how to use the analogies with the surgeon and the lawyer. My ways worked seamlessly by me saying that "Just like I admire the work of my surgeon or my lawyer.", but your way ended up being absurd and unworkable. Carrier isn't unemployed btw, that's just a cheap slur. He is a prof...
by Moonwood the Hare
Sat May 04, 2019 10:59 pm
Forum: Discussion forum
Topic: How do we approach a new proposition?
Replies: 675
Views: 18218

Re: How do we approach a new proposition?

Well, I would look at it this way. I am faced with two choices both of which are compassionate but are mutually exclusive. Whichever one I do I cannot do the other. But if I fail to do one of these things there is somethig compassionate I have not done. Therefore no one can be compassionate because ...
by Moonwood the Hare
Sat May 04, 2019 12:54 pm
Forum: Discussion forum
Topic: Observations and notes regarding On the Historicity of Jesus, by Richard Carrier
Replies: 172
Views: 2405

Re: Observations and notes regarding On the Historicity of Jesus, by Richard Carrier

Oh, no, please don't get me wrong, I admire his work. Just like I admire the work of my surgeon or my lawyer. I wouldn't stick my nose in and tell them HOW do their work, as I'm not qualified to do so. Either do you guys. Big difference. No one has suggested you tell Carrier how to do his work. Sup...
by Moonwood the Hare
Sat May 04, 2019 8:41 am
Forum: Discussion forum
Topic: C.S. Lewis - Mere Christianity
Replies: 223
Views: 2950

Re: C.S. Lewis - Mere Christianity

So the lawgiver exists because the existence of the laws and the laws exist because the lawgiver exists? No. Read what I said again. ok, here's what you said - "He is offering the existence of the law as evidence of the lawgiver's existence" So nothing remotely like the circular argument you attrib...
by Moonwood the Hare
Fri May 03, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: Discussion forum
Topic: Observations and notes regarding On the Historicity of Jesus, by Richard Carrier
Replies: 172
Views: 2405

Re: Observations and notes regarding On the Historicity of Jesus, by Richard Carrier

Oh, no, please don't get me wrong, I admire his work. Just like I admire the work of my surgeon or my lawyer. I wouldn't stick my nose in and tell them HOW do their work, as I'm not qualified to do so. Either do you guys. Big difference. No one has suggested you tell Carrier how to do his work. Sup...
by Moonwood the Hare
Fri May 03, 2019 11:10 am
Forum: Discussion forum
Topic: C.S. Lewis - Mere Christianity
Replies: 223
Views: 2950

Re: C.S. Lewis - Mere Christianity

So the lawgiver exists because the existence of the laws and the laws exist because the lawgiver exists? No. Read what I said again. How can pre-human drives and desires exist before humans? I thought you were talking about the evolutionary origins of human drives and the resulting desires. If not ...
by Moonwood the Hare
Thu May 02, 2019 7:37 pm
Forum: Discussion forum
Topic: C.S. Lewis - Mere Christianity
Replies: 223
Views: 2950

Re: C.S. Lewis - Mere Christianity

Lewis is not identifying the desire to save someone with the natural law; he is saying it is the law which enables us to choose between two conflicting desires. Lewis is suggesting that we could have desires for both altruism and self preservation and you could explain them both on the kinds of gro...
by Moonwood the Hare
Thu May 02, 2019 7:33 pm
Forum: Discussion forum
Topic: Observations and notes regarding On the Historicity of Jesus, by Richard Carrier
Replies: 172
Views: 2405

Re: Observations and notes regarding On the Historicity of Jesus, by Richard Carrier

Well, this might be radical too. I don't think I'm qualified to offer an opinion on how an historian with a doctorate performs his work. I don't see how OG or any other person on this forum is either. So I chose to be flippant instead of assuming that I know better than he does. That's fine; I'll j...
by Moonwood the Hare
Thu May 02, 2019 12:06 pm
Forum: Discussion forum
Topic: C.S. Lewis - Mere Christianity
Replies: 223
Views: 2950

Re: C.S. Lewis - Mere Christianity

Tell you what: why don't you sketch out the argument he presents in premises -- for example, that when someone is drowning, we have a natural desire to save them, and a natural desire to remain safe, and a third thing that tells of which desire we should follow. Go ahead, sketch that out. You under...
by Moonwood the Hare
Thu May 02, 2019 11:57 am
Forum: Discussion forum
Topic: Observations and notes regarding On the Historicity of Jesus, by Richard Carrier
Replies: 172
Views: 2405

Re: Observations and notes regarding On the Historicity of Jesus, by Richard Carrier

Let me guess - the Bible is your best tool to work out if Jesus existed as a historical person? I know this is radical but you could try responding to what someone says rather than what you guess they might say next. In this case you could say something like: well that's not the way I understand th...