Yes, I understand that this is YOUR interpretation of what the Bible says. It doesn't change the fact that millions of people interpret the Bible differently than you do and they self-identify as Christians. There really is no objective, legal, absolute definition of a Christian. There are many different kinds of Christians and, like you clearly exemplify, there are many who claim that they are real and others are not. I could take your word for it, but when I will meet someone else who will reject you as a legitimate Christian for the same reasons. So no matter how much you claim sole ownership of the definition; I, like billions of other people, don't recognize you as such. This is not a judgement on my part, though as a former Christian I could easily choose to do so. There is simply a clear lack of consensus and no objective way to know who is right, if any. I don't know you and even if I did and totally agreed with your interpretation, I still don't have the kind of objectivity needed to determine that you are correct and everyone else is wrong. If someone tells me they are a Christian, that's good enough for me.Chapabel wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:57 pmNo, this isn't my interpretation, this is straight from the Bible. God forbids homosexuality (Lev.18:22, Lev.20:13, Rom.1:27-28, I Cor.6:9). To suggest Christians can be involved in homosexuality with God's approval is to suggest it's also ok for Christians to lie, steal, cheat rape and kill. To continue in these actions is evidence the person has never experienced the new birth, and are therefore, not Christians (Matt.7:19-20). I find it amazing that you, a non-Christian, feel qualified to tell me, an active Christian, who is and is not a real Christian. There may be gay ministers that perform gay marriages, but there are no gay Christian ministers performing gay weddings for gay Christians. That's not my opinion, that's God's opinion.
If the condemnation is for "participating" in homosexual acts, then clearly baking a cake is not such an act and I don't believe it is approval of it either.Unfortunately, alot of what you posted here is accurate. Religion has been used to discriminate against different races. Proper exegesis reveals how wrong many people have been. There is no condemnation from God about being black, oriental, white or middle eastern. Our race is determined by God. It is our actions that God judges, not our skin color. While there is no condemnation for being black, there is condemnation for participating in homosexuality. That is the difference.
I want to challenge you on this in the most cerebral way. Don't recoil in disgust or perceived judgement; just hear me out. You just criticized me for claiming to know who is and is not a "real" christian (even though I didn't do that), but now you are telling me that you somehow know what is in another person's mind. You assert that everyone who is gay is choosing to be so and that they are not born that way. I fail to understand how you can know this. I certainly don't know it. From a purely fundamentalist Christian perspective, it's forbidden regardless of reason, so I don't know why you would even be interested in the choice discussion. The bottom line is that we are not all governed by your religious views in this country (for the time being at least), so we need not care what you think about it. So if someone chooses to be homosexual, I have absolutely no problem with it. But you do have a serious problem if you cling to this "god made them the way they are" assertion. Some people are sociopaths and some people are pedophiles. There is an unimaginable amount of evidence that supports the conclusion that these people are born this way. So why would a loving, caring, fair god do such an evil thing? When a child born into a completely normal, loving, well-adjusted family begins to torture and kill animals at a very young age, there's no justification for arguments like choice or environment. This is a congenital condition and there's absolutely nothing these people can do to change themselves, especially when they don't even know this is abnormal or socially unacceptable. As adults they can seek help but as children this isn't a reasonable expectation. So with that in mind, I see no reason why being born homosexual is a stretch at all. I was born shy and introverted; I didn't learn to be that way. I know other people who are so outgoing it's ridiculous and have always been so. So to assert that it is impossible that sexual preference can be an inborn aspect of one's personality, I think that's stretching your knowledge and powers of observation far beyond reason. You simply cannot know this.The argument then turns to choice. Many people, and I suspect you as well, will claim homosexuals have no choice in the way they are made. That's simply a load of bovine poop. God did not make anyone gay. People choose to participate in homosexuality to satisfy their lusts. God's plan is for one man to be with one woman (Mark 10:6-7). Anything outside of that is merely lust of the flesh.