Chapabel wrote:The difference between Ehrman and myself is that at no point in my backslidden condition did I ever renounce my faith in Christ. I never doubted God’s existence nor my salvation. I knew I was a child of God even though I was not living like one. Ehrman has totally renounced his relationship with Christ which is the evidence that he never knew Christ to begin with. The Bible clearly teaches that those who are saved are kept by God. There is no way a born again believer can ever be unborn. If you were a born again believer you would understand this precept. But like Ehrman you cannot give testimony of ever being born again.
So, if an individual is born-again, they are guaranteed to go to Heaven, even if they willfully disobey God for the remainder of their lives, as long as they don't doubt God's existence and one's salvation. Well, that renders repentance unnecessary.
You've also said,
"True saving faith will manifest good work"
"Anyone can go around saying they are a born-again, blood-washed believer. But if they have no accompanying works to validate their claim, their faith is dead and not real"
"Works are the evidence, the proof, the testimony of salvation. That's all. Works come after salvation. After, not before...AFTER. Not during...AFTER."
You say sincere Faith in God is what makes one saved, and that good works come after
becoming saved. That means a person may go through the ritual of becoming born-again, but its only after
by their works can others know if they were truly born-again. If they weren't, then it's because bad works, or lack of good works, reflect insincere Faith in God, meaning they never were born again, and therefore makes works what a person's salvation or not is based off, which you deny is the case...
According to those beliefs of yours
, during your "backslidden condition" where you willfully
chose to leave God, and chose a life of "living like the devil", while still knowing
God existed, you were not producing works that reflect a true saving faith, so you wouldn't be considered a child of God. Yet, you claim to have maintained your salvation, and title "child of God" because you still had Faith in God, and didn't doubt your salvation, during that period of your life...
Another time you've said,
"Anybody can do good works. It does not take the power of God to be nice and help people. That's why good works do not contribute to salvation".
If you haven't caught on to what the problem is, the Catch-22 is this:
You say true saving Faith manifests good works, but because anyone can do good works, good works don't contribute to salvation, even though being saved leads to it. And, as long as a person doesn't doubt the existence of God, or their salvation, they can do bad works without needing to repent, and still maintain their salvation. Yet, it's good works that reveal a true saving faith, but as long as a person doesn't doubt the existence of God, or their salvation, they can do bad works without needing to repent, and still maintain their salvation. Yet, it's good works that reveal a true saving Faith, but as long as a person doesn't doubt the existence of God, or their salvation, they can do bad works without needing to repent, and still maintain their salvation. Yet,...
You see where I'm going?
That's your carousel of salvation. In order to stop the bleed of contradiction, you try and control it by taking Bible verses out of context, i.e. John 10:28-29/Romans 8:38-39, etc, but you're still unsuccessful.
Also, once I asked you "...how can you tell the difference between who's saved and who's not, other than asking them if they're saved?", and you replied, "You can't tell the difference. That is the Lord's responsibility", yet here you are taking the responsibility upon yourself to say,
"Ehrman was never a Christian to begin with"