SEG wrote: ↑
Wed May 01, 2019 2:55 pm
Og3 wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:51 pm
No, it would not, because my faith is built in part on my logic. One of the fundamental rules of logic -- so fundamental that we seldom even bother to mention it -- is the law of non-contradiction.
So even if I can logically prove that your faith is rubbish, it will not break your faith because it is built on logic? That seems very circular OG!
Oh, you meant "My faith" when you said "Silly Claims."
Honestly, man, I am not responsible for how you use language. I suggest having harsh words with your English teachers.
The thing that I'm getting about Lewis (probably you as well) is that he starts with the assumption that the Bible is reliable and factual.
Really? Where did he say that? what page?
He never questions the existence of God. How can this be logical if he is not exploring the options that all of this may be made up?
You are talking about C.S. Lewis, right? The man who asked "Why should a mouse WISH for a Cat?"
You haven't confused him with Lewis Carroll or someone, right?
He has only 3 options for Jesus, Liar, Lunatic or Lord. He doesn't consider him as a myth. He can't be to Lewis, he is too entrenched in his belief.
First, on what page does he use the phrase, "Liar, Lunatic, or Lord?" that phrase comes from McDowell. McDowell was relying on the Poached Egg argument, but Lewis never uses that phrase. Lewis was simply proving that Jesus cannot be imagined as a great moral teacher.
Chapter and verse, please.
His moral law seems to be built on the foundation that Right and Wrong exists separately from humanity and drives it. But how could it exist before humans existed? Morals are built around the human conditions, without humans, what would be the point? He argued that "conscience reveals to us a moral law whose source cannot be found in the natural world, thus pointing to a supernatural Lawgiver." If so, why not multiple supernatural lawgivers, other gods in other religions?
Tell you what: why don't you sketch out the argument he presents in premises -- for example, that when someone is drowning, we have a natural desire to save them, and a natural desire to remain safe, and a third thing that tells of which desire we should follow. Go ahead, sketch that out. You understand syllogisms now, so let's see it.
I have seen him in this quote: "The only way in which we could expect the Creator to show itself would be inside ourselves as an influence or a command"
Chapter and verse, please. On what page does he say that? In what context?
Why not outside of ourselves in an apparition? Why doesn't he pick up the phone and call the good Captain?
Why not by incarnating as His Own Son... Oh, right, been there, did that, got the nail-scars.