Why Faith Isn't a Reliable Pathway to Determine the Truth

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Re: Why Faith Isn't a Reliable Pathway to Determine the Truth

Post by SEG » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:02 am

Claire wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:27 am
SEG wrote:Firstly there aren't that many "unexplained complexities"...
What makes you think that?
Research
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Why Faith Isn't a Reliable Pathway to Determine the Truth

Post by SEG » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:09 am

Chapabel wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:38 am
Humanguy wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:16 pm
Chap, when you sit in a chair you trust that it won't collapse under you because it basically never happens. It has nothing to do with faith.
Instead of using the word “faith” you insert the word “trust”. It’s the same thing, my friend.
Nope. There is lots of evidence that you can check on that an average chair hasn't collapsed because it has been sat on for years without incident. We know what a stable chair looks like from our past experience in reality and from that evidence we trust that it won't collapse.

Then you have this shaky "faith" in an invisible, mute, supernatural being that has no credible evidence. Big difference don't you think?
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Why Faith Isn't a Reliable Pathway to Determine the Truth

Post by SEG » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:12 am

Claire wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:44 am
SEG wrote:...and secondly the evolution of the universe was not "random coincidence" but the opposite, it has been an orderly process.
Precisely.

God is about order and that's reflected in His creation.

Jesus said,

"The universe is a work of calm creation. The Father did not do things in a disorderly way, but He made the universe in successive phases" &
"Violence is always against order; and God, and what comes from God is order".

(Poem of the Man-God)
Except you don't need any deities to have an orderly universe.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Why Faith Isn't a Reliable Pathway to Determine the Truth

Post by Claire » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:13 am

SEG wrote:
Claire wrote:
SEG wrote:Firstly there aren't that many "unexplained complexities"...
What makes you think that?
Research.
Keep at it.

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Re: Why Faith Isn't a Reliable Pathway to Determine the Truth

Post by Claire » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:14 am

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Re: Why Faith Isn't a Reliable Pathway to Determine the Truth

Post by SEG » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:16 am

Chapabel wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:40 am
Why would I give heed to what a nonbeliever has to say on the subject. Would you be impressed and/or persuaded if I quoted you a believer that used to be an atheist?
No, but he saw the light because he educated himself in science. There may be help for you yet. Oh, and he is still saved, btw. He can't lose.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Why Faith Isn't a Reliable Pathway to Determine the Truth

Post by Claire » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:53 pm

SEG wrote:
Claire wrote:
SEG wrote:...and secondly the evolution of the universe was not "random coincidence" but the opposite, it has been an orderly process.
Precisely.

God is about order and that's reflected in His creation.

Jesus said,

"The universe is a work of calm creation. The Father did not do things in a disorderly way, but He made the universe in successive phases" &
"Violence is always against order; and God, and what comes from God is order".

(Poem of the Man-God)
Except you don't need any deities to have an orderly universe.
Because?

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Re: Why Faith Isn't a Reliable Pathway to Determine the Truth

Post by SEG » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:14 pm

Duh, it works quite well without them! Give me one intelligent reason why we need any supernatural being.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Why Faith Isn't a Reliable Pathway to Determine the Truth

Post by Claire » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:20 pm

SEG wrote:
Claire wrote:
SEG wrote:...and secondly the evolution of the universe was not "random coincidence" but the opposite, it has been an orderly process.
Precisely.

God is about order and that's reflected in His creation.

Jesus said,

"The universe is a work of calm creation. The Father did not do things in a disorderly way, but He made the universe in successive phases" &
"Violence is always against order; and God, and what comes from God is order".

(Poem of the Man-God)
Except you don't need any deities to have an orderly universe.
SEG wrote:
Claire wrote:Because?
Duh, it works quite well without them!
What's your explanation for order in the universe?
SEG wrote:Give me one intelligent reason why we need any supernatural being.
What would an intelligent reason be to you?

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Re: Why Faith Isn't a Reliable Pathway to Determine the Truth

Post by SEG » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:19 pm

From you? Gold.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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