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Re: Miracle on the Mountain.

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Claire wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:49 am
Not every miracle is known to the Church, but that doesn't mean those miracles didn't occur.
So me finding my beer was a miracle?
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Miracle on the Mountain.

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SEG wrote:
Claire wrote:This particular circumstance was miraculous for reasons explained.
Nope, that doesn't fly. It has to be extraordinary and not explicable by natural or scientific laws.
How was our rescue not extraordinary, and explicable by natural, or scientific laws? And, please give something resembling an actual explanation, and don't just say ''science and natural law explains it", as if that ends the conversation.
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Claire wrote:
SEG wrote:"Real" miracles are sanctioned by the church. Otherwise you could have this: I was positive that I had no beer left in the fridge and I was dying of thirst. I checked again and there was one left in the corner. It's a miracle!
That's like someone isn't really dead unless the state coroner says so. Lacking a death certificate won't keep the corpse from stinking. Not every miracle is known to the Church, but that doesn't mean those miracles didn't occur.
So me finding my beer was a miracle?
No, because it's obvious you made up that scenario for the point you were making. My point is, what is a miracle is a miracle, whether sanctioned by the Church or not.
"He that keepeth his mouth and his tongue, keepeth his soul from distress" -- Prov. 21:23

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Re: Miracle on the Mountain.

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SEG wrote:
Claire wrote:This particular circumstance was miraculous for reasons explained.
Nope, that doesn't fly. It has to be extraordinary and not explicable by natural or scientific laws.
How was our rescue not extraordinary, and explicable by natural, or scientific laws? And, please give something resembling an actual explanation, and don't just say ''science and natural law explains it", as if that ends the conversation.
"He that keepeth his mouth and his tongue, keepeth his soul from distress" -- Prov. 21:23

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Re: Miracle on the Mountain.

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Claire wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:41 am
SEG wrote:
Claire wrote:This particular circumstance was miraculous for reasons explained.
Nope, that doesn't fly. It has to be extraordinary and not explicable by natural or scientific laws.
How was our rescue not extraordinary, and explicable by natural, or scientific laws? And, please give something resembling an actual explanation, and don't just say ''science and natural law explains it", as if that ends the conversation.
Co-incidence. You two got lucky. It happens. Big deal.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Miracle on the Mountain.

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Claire wrote:
SEG wrote:
Claire wrote:This particular circumstance was miraculous for reasons explained.
Nope, that doesn't fly. It has to be extraordinary and not explicable by natural or scientific laws.
How was our rescue not extraordinary, and explicable by natural, or scientific laws? And, please give something resembling an actual explanation, and don't just say ''science and natural law explains it", as if that ends the conversation.
SEG wrote:Co-incidence. You two got lucky. It happens. Big deal.
It was luck that guided our rescuer, Luke, at the behest of a mysterious voice, to suddenly go out of his way towards an unfamiliar area, turn onto the right trail that was difficult for his car to drive on, then keep driving until directly below us? And, coincidentally, the voice told him to wait there? I suppose it must've been some coincidence involving an otherwise unknown psychosis Luke was suffering that made him hear this voice, that just so happened to direct him to our exact, remote location? Additionally, despite all that extraordinary luck, it must've just been bad luck the forest rangers and others weren't able to find us, and so it came down to this one possible schizophrenic?

Lol, if luckcoincidencedidit, how are those explicable by natural, or scientific laws in this case?
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Claire wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:23 am
God you are gullible! A strange voice guided him there huh? Spooky!
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Miracle on the Mountain.

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Claire wrote:
SEG wrote:
Claire wrote:This particular circumstance was miraculous for reasons explained.
Nope, that doesn't fly. It has to be extraordinary and not explicable by natural or scientific laws.
How was our rescue not extraordinary, and explicable by natural, or scientific laws? And, please give something resembling an actual explanation, and don't just say ''science and natural law explains it", as if that ends the conversation.
SEG wrote:Co-incidence. You two got lucky. It happens. Big deal.
It was luck that guided our rescuer, Luke, at the behest of a mysterious voice, to suddenly go out of his way towards an unfamiliar area, turn onto the right trail that was difficult for his car to drive on, then keep driving until directly below us? And, coincidentally, the voice told him to wait there? I suppose it must've been some coincidence involving an otherwise unknown psychosis Luke was suffering that made him hear this voice, that just so happened to direct him to our exact, remote location? Additionally, despite all that extraordinary luck, it must've just been bad luck the forest rangers and others weren't able to find us, and so it came down to this one possible schizophrenic?

Lol, if luckcoincidencedidit, how are those explicable by natural, or scientific laws in this case?
"He that keepeth his mouth and his tongue, keepeth his soul from distress" -- Prov. 21:23

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Re: Miracle on the Mountain.

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Claire wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:02 am
It was luck that guided our rescuer,
Yep. Get over it.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Miracle on the Mountain.

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Claire wrote:
SEG wrote:
Claire wrote:This particular circumstance was miraculous for reasons explained.
Nope, that doesn't fly. It has to be extraordinary and not explicable by natural or scientific laws.
How was our rescue not extraordinary, and explicable by natural, or scientific laws? And, please give something resembling an actual explanation, and don't just say ''science and natural law explains it", as if that ends the conversation.
SEG wrote:Co-incidence. You two got lucky. It happens. Big deal.
It was luck that guided our rescuer, Luke, at the behest of a mysterious voice, to suddenly go out of his way towards an unfamiliar area, turn onto the right trail that was difficult for his car to drive on, then keep driving until directly below us? And, coincidentally, the voice told him to wait there? I suppose it must've been some coincidence involving an otherwise unknown psychosis Luke was suffering that made him hear this voice, that just so happened to direct him to our exact, remote location? Additionally, despite all that extraordinary luck, it must've just been bad luck the forest rangers and others weren't able to find us, and so it came down to this one possible schizophrenic?

Lol, if luckcoincidencedidit, how are those explicable by natural, or scientific laws in this case?
"He that keepeth his mouth and his tongue, keepeth his soul from distress" -- Prov. 21:23

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Re: Miracle on the Mountain.

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Claire wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:11 pm
It was luck that guided our rescuer, Luke, at the behest of a mysterious voice,
Who do you think owned this mysterious voice? Why?
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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