Claire wrote:Well, if you had any basic knowledge of Christianity you would know "The Lord" is a commonly used way of addressing God by Christians. Jesus Christ as a human being would've been able to be measured and weighed just as any other human being. In regards to The Lord in spirit form, I am not qualified to even guess as how to measure that. And, this goes directly back to what I've been saying which is existence is not dependent on definition, which is what you haven't proven me wrong on.SEG wrote:What's with "The Lord" stuff? You make it sound like this mythical construct is lording it over you. Yes, measurements and definitions go hand in hand. No don't bother with the attributes, they are meaningless to me. Proven you wrong about what? Don't worry about what I like or dislike, just give me a meaningful definition of what you think is lording it over you.Claire wrote:Do you want me to somehow tell you what The Lord is composed of? Measurements? Or, are you asking for His attributes? And, before you answer keep in mind, that you still have not proven me to be wrong. So, whether I can or cannot give the description you would like is completely irrelevant.
I've given you examples of something that exists and can't be defined. Now, you want something that not only exists and can't be defined but also can't be measured. Well, dark matter and dark energy are the probably the two most obvious examples I can mention to you. All that we really know about dark matter is that it probably accounts for the most of the mass in the known universe. What it's made of i.e. what particles it can be made up of, or it's characteristics are unknown. And, even the amount of dark matter believed to exist is only really inferred through deduction and by observing it's affects on other objects within the universe.SEG wrote:What is spirit form? I'm not being pedantic, I want to know what you think a spirit is made up of. Atoms? Nothing? Who do you think would be qualified to measure it? Give me an example of one thing that exists and can't be measured besides your god and which you haven't yet defined.
In regards to spirit, you already know that it's not something described in terms of its constituent elements or what particles it's made up of. But, it's something that can be known to exist if you know how the spirit affects humanity and the physical world. To tie that back into dark matter and specifically dark energy, we know that there is a force that has an affect in this universe. So, in terms of what we call dark energy we can detect how it changes observable objects around it, and causes otherwise uncountable ripples through magnetic fields. But, we still have no idea what it is. So, it's something extremely mysterious and yet extremely important to our understanding of modern physics.
God as a human being would've been in a measurable and definable state, but still wouldn't have been completely definable and measurable because He wouldn't have been completely human. When one attempts to define God in a completely non-human state i.e. spirit, then it becomes about trying to define and measure someone that's infinite and bound to nothing. What God can be or do is limitless. So, there's an unlimited number of ways He can be seen, heard, felt, etc, and being limited ourselves we are probably incapable of becoming aware of all the ways. So, I don't think any human would succeed in fully defining or measuring God while in a physical and limited state. We'd probably have to be in a non-physical and unlimited state just as He is in order to see and understand more about Him and our surroundings. But, even once we experience physical death and transition, thereby leaving our physical and limited state, we would still have to be limited to a degree, even if only in terms of what we can know/do, otherwise we'd be God. But, this is limited human reasoning, so there's probably more to this than I'm able to realize and communicate.
But, even the article is quick to point out that it can only give a narrow picture of en masse neuron activation. And, I find it difficult to believe that even you think that a thought is fully "measured" by only counting the neural activity and patterns.SEG wrote:No, but thoughts can be measured, unlike your gods.Claire wrote:If someone approached you and said "I just had a thought", would you tell them that you do not believe that they could have had a thought, until they can prove it to you through weighing and measuring that thought? I'm not saying The Lord is on the same level as a thought rather demonstrating how existence isn't as narrow as you argue it is.