There you go again! Will you stop doing that FFS! I didn't ever say anything about being "properly" defined, whatever the fuck that means. I said that
What are gods? If you can't reasonably define them, they can't reasonably exist.
You don't have to type the words "properly defined" in order to be saying them -- who’d a thunk it? Your having stated I haven't come close to presenting a "reasonable, clear definition" means you don't find them to be satisfactory i.e. proper.
You ALSO said,
All well defined below. They are known to exist and react in the natural world
the branch of physics concerned with quantum theory.
"quantum physics allows for particles to be in two states at the same time"
an informal name for the Higgs boson or particle (see Higgs boson).
Noun. Einstein-Rosen Bridge (plural Einstein-Rosen bridges) (physics) A type of wormhole that is inherently unstable and collapses before any information or matter can pass through.
Gods are not well defined. They are not known to exist and react in the natural world
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
Pay special attention to your words "well defined". One of the synonyms for "well" is the word "properly".
And, all those definitions you cited are equally vague, yet you say all except ''God'' are well defined -- that's hypocrisy.
If you've grasped my point regarding the English language, and your being hypocritical, then all I have to say is...
Claire wrote: SEG wrote:
SEG wrote:Could you even identify a reasonable and clear definition for God or Spirit if one was presented to you?
Yes I could.
What would a reasonable and clear definition be to you?
SEG wrote: Claire wrote:
SEG wrote:Something that is logical and not clouded by vagueness.
But, you quoted vague definitions for "Quantum Physics", "God Particle", and "Einstein-Rosen Bridge", and called them "well defined". So, why is a vague definition of God insufficient to you?
I suppose your definition is very vague in comparison for something that you think created the universe and communicates with humans.
You quoted vague definitions for "Quantum Physics", "God Particle", and "Einstein-Rosen Bridge", and called them "well defined". Yet, vague definitions for God are insufficient to you.
That makes you hypocritical.
Claire wrote:Do you think you don't need to apologize?
I'll answer that once you answer this, as it was posed to you first:
Now for the fifth time, can you let me know whether this is a fair assessment of what you believe about your God and other gods?
1. They are "things" that have no material presence.
2. They have a magical special "force" to create material objects, even though they have no material themselves.
3. You have no idea of what this force is or how they create material objects, though you hope with faith that this is true.
4. Your god is special and true, unlike all the other false and untrue gods that only exist in the minds of heathens. You know that this is correct because it says so in your book of faith and you believe that it is true, even if you have no scientific evidence of it's existence or it's properties.
I shouldn't be blackmailed into doing so. And, I have no reason to think you would apologize even after I did what you wanted anyway.
SEG wrote: Claire wrote:
SEG wrote:Do you research Christian apologist sites?
I haven't been to one recently. So, if I have it was a while ago.
You don't know if you have or not? Just like you don't remember any scientific books that you have read? No wonder you needlessly quote previous posts, your memory is terrible!
I've probably been to a Christian apologist site, but as I said it hasn't been recently. And, while I don't remember the book titles and online sites where I read about dark matter/energy from over the years, I remember the content which I shared with you.
SEG wrote: Claire wrote:
SEG wrote:Give me an example of one thing that exists and can't be measured besides your god...
Well, dark matter and dark energy are the probably the two most obvious examples I can mention to you. All that we really know about dark matter is that it probably
accounts for the most of the mass in the known universe. What it's made of i.e. what particles it can be made up of, or it's characteristics are unknown. And, even the amount of dark matter believed to exist is only really inferred through deduction and by observing it's affects on other objects within the universe.
Correct, which means it can be defined, observed and measured.
So, by not knowing anything about it's characteristics or make up it's somehow defined? And, not really knowing how much of it is out there, and what its actual mass is, or its various types if any that might have various unknown amounts of mass or weight means it's been measured?
That doesn't make sense.