That's a different question (and a valid one IMO, btw). As to your original question - I think sometimes you have a confirmation bias; that's why you asked where "all this promised love in the Christian religion" is. When I answered, you seemed to acknowledge that there WERE "nice passages". It seems like you weren't even acknowledging the existence of ANY loving passages before I answered. Or was it just kind of an expression of frustration? I mean, with passages like:SEG wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:34 amIt may be that there are nice passages, but they are overshadowed by your god's murderous wrath and intolerance IMO.
andI Cor 13:1-8 wrote: If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant,
does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,
does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;
bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things,
Love never fails
andEphesians 4:32 wrote: Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.
andColossians 3:12-14 wrote: So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience;
bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.
Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity.
and how in the NT, one of the highest priorities of the apostles was to take care of the poor (this is Paul writing about meeting up with some of the apostles in Jerusalem)Philippians 2:3-4 wrote: Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves;
do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others.
Anyway, just a few verses off the top of my head; there are many more. And I've seen many, many expressions of love and service by Christians I know who are quietly fulfilling the two greatest commandments (love God and love others - Mark 12:30-31) - note, QUIETLY - that's why you don't see it splashed all over the news.Galatians 2:10 wrote: They only asked us to remember the poor—the very thing I also was eager to do.
Sounds like some of my extended family issues! But why would there be a lot about Jesus' family in the Bible? It's not "The Biography of Jesus and His Extended Family". It's about God and who He is and how He loves us. And are you not aware of the beautiful passage in John 19 where Jesus, when he was dying, took the time to take care of his mother by handing her care over to the apostle John.SEG wrote:Jesus as portrayed in the Bible never had a normal loving relationship with his earthly family. He showed no love for his supposed biological father, mother, sister or brothers. It was the opposite, he showed total disdain.Rian wrote:I don't see that; where are you getting that from?SEG wrote:There were no loving or respectful conversations towards his family. His sisters weren't even numbered or named. No normal family interaction was ever mentioned. His father vanished without reason once his literary purpose was finished before his first miracle at the wedding and his siblings weren't there to support his mother at the crucifixion.
Not very much but I just miss you guys and can't resist posting every once in a while, then my posts take up so much time and energy that I just can't keep it up.SEG wrote:An actual, loving God would provide instant comfort and guidance to anyone that suffered and experienced pain. How often does this happen? Hardly ever.
Rian wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:33 pmI think that God does make this available; whether or not someone chooses it is a different question. This is a very complex issue and one that is rightly brought up by those questioning Christianity, IMO. However, there's no sound-bite answer; it's one of the deepest and most solemn things in the universe. I think that there are good explanations, though.SEG wrote: I would like to hear them when you get a chance Rian. You must be feeling a little bit better these days?
As far as God providing comfort - well, I certainly qualify for someone suffering from pain! and I experience the comfort and guidance of God, and what's more, looking back over the years, I see many good things that have come about from the pain (although I certainly hate the pain!). I also see many beautiful things that have come about from my son's handicap (I don't know if you recall, but he was born without legs. I'll have to re-post the picture of him riding quads some day! I don't know how he stays on!) although it is a hard and often painful path. I guess that it comes down to this: I would rather be on a painful path WITH God, trusting in and experiencing His goodness and wisdom and love, than a pain-free path WITHOUT God.
I'll try to keep a better eye on this thread in case you respond again - sorry this is so incredibly late!