Rian wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:21 am
Hi SEG! Boy, could we have used you here in California recently! The fires were just a few miles from my house.
Hi Rian, I'm glad you and your family survived those wildfires, they are terrifying! The noise alone must have scared you witless.
Anyway, I'm not around here much, but I just saw this sentence of yours and wanted to point out that they were very different in a very important way - with the healings described in the Bible, the surrounding people KNEW the people that were healed, both before and after. With the sham faith healers, their plant acts like "just one of the crowd", and like most crowds, the surrounding people don't know them. However, with the hearings described in the Bible like the man born blind, people KNEW the man before the healing, and KNEW him after. The man had been blind from birth, and the people in the town knew this and saw it for YEARS - and then could see for themselves that after Jesus healed him, the man could see. Same thing with the lame man by the pool - people KNEW him and even helped carry him to the pool, time after time - and then after Jesus healed him, they saw with their own eyes that he was healed. That's VERY different from the sham faith healers. Do you see what I mean? I'm not asking you to believe that Jesus healed these people, or even that Jesus existed, but I do hope you can see that the two scenarios are vastly different.
I didn't know about the people knowing the disabled before and after. How did you know that? Here is the passage about the lame man being healed:
A Man Healed at the Pool of Bethesda
5 After this there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 2 Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda, having five porches. 3 In these lay a great multitude of sick people, blind, lame, paralyzed, waiting for the moving of the water. 4 For an angel went down at a certain time into the pool and stirred up the water; then whoever stepped in first, after the stirring of the water, was made well of whatever disease he had. 5 Now a certain man was there who had an infirmity thirty-eight years. 6 When Jesus saw him lying there, and knew that he already had been in that condition a long time, He said to him, “Do you want to be made well?”
7 The sick man answered Him, “Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up; but while I am coming, another steps down before me.”
8 Jesus said to him, “Rise, take up your bed and walk.” 9 And immediately the man was made well, took up his bed, and walked.
And that day was the Sabbath. 10 The Jews therefore said to him who was cured, “It is the Sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your bed.”
11 He answered them, “He who made me well said to me, ‘Take up your bed and walk.’ ”
12 Then they asked him, “Who is the Man who said to you, ‘Take up your bed and walk’?” 13 But the one who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, a multitude being in that place. 14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.”
15 The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
I don't see these stories as being actual, I see them as parables with hidden meanings. Faith healers do annoy me as they are preying upon the weakest members of our society and taking their money and hopes. I couldn't believe it when Benny Hinn's bullshit came up on late night TV when we were over there in June.
“There are no known non-biblical references to a historical Jesus by any historian or other writer of the time during and shortly after Jesus's purported advent.” His so-called life was a farce.