Why are the death and birth dates of Jesus so complicated?

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Why are the death and birth dates of Jesus so complicated?

Post by SEG » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:35 pm

In Matthew, Mark and Luke the last supper takes place on the first day of the Passover (Matthew 26:17, Mark 14:12, Luke 22:7). In John's gospel it takes place a day earlier and Jesus is crucified on the first day of the Passover (John 19:14).

So when was it? This conundrum is similar to Jesus' disputed birth. He was supposedly born during the lifetime of Herod. In both Luke and Matthew Jesus was born during King Herod’s reign (Luke 1:5 and Matthew 2:1). Herod died in 4BCE. But In Luke 2, Jesus was born during the census of Quirinius and Quirinius came to power in 6CE.

So his birth and death dates are both contradictory. Which is strange, as they should be very important dates to Christians. I have read all the contortions to make this resolved, but why are these basic facts all over the place and needing complicated explanations?
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Re: Why are the death and birth dates of Jesus so complicated?

Post by SEG » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:38 pm

Answer: Because the authors made them both up and got their lies wrong. Jesus never existed.
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Re: Why are the death and birth dates of Jesus so complicated?

Post by Claire » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:05 pm

"The astronomy of the Valtorta account places Jesus’ birth in December, -0001, the death of Herod in the spring of 0002, and Good Friday on April 21, 0034."

Source: http://www.bardstown.com/~brchrys/AstroDates.html

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Re: Why are the death and birth dates of Jesus so complicated?

Post by SEG » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:59 pm

Claire wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:05 pm
"The astronomy of the Valtorta account places Jesus’ birth in December, -0001, the death of Herod in the spring of 0002, and Good Friday on April 21, 0034."
If Jesus’ birth was in December there would be a lot shepherds freezing their arses off watching over frozen sheep! Herod must have been resurrected because he died in 4BCE. Is this the best anyone here has got?
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Re: Why are the death and birth dates of Jesus so complicated?

Post by Claire » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:18 am

SEG wrote:
Claire wrote:"The astronomy of the Valtorta account places Jesus’ birth in December, -0001, the death of Herod in the spring of 0002, and Good Friday on April 21, 0034."

Source: http://www.bardstown.com/~brchrys/AstroDates.html
If Jesus’ birth was in December there would be a lot shepherds freezing their arses off watching over frozen sheep! Herod must have been resurrected because he died in 4BCE. Is this the best anyone here has got?
Read the article in full.

In addition, Mary was still pregnant, but close to giving birth, when Joseph informed her of the Census Edict, which he had seen posted on the synagogue door, ordering the census of all Palestinians. Everyone was to register in their place of origin. Joseph told her they were to go to Bethlehem.

So, they left Nazareth, and journeyed to Bethlehem, and on the way met a shepherd, cutting across the road with his herd. Joseph asked him for milk to give Mary, to which the shepherd nodded in assent. The shepherd asked where they were from and headed to, and Joseph answered. When the shepherd learned they were on their way to Bethlehem, he mentioned the difficulty they will face finding lodgings, due to the overcrowding of people registering. Because of the condition he saw Mary, he directed them to follow the main road to Bethlehem, which would lead them to the largest hotel in the square, and that there would be a fountain in front of it. He continued saying that if they were to find no room in the hotel, or any other houses, they were to go round back of the hotel, towards the country. For there were stables in the mountain, which were used sometimes for merchants to keep their animals, on their way to Jerusalem, when they didn't find room at the hotel. He warned it would be damp, cold, and without doors, but shelter is shelter, and better than Mary remaining on the road. Joseph and Mary heeded his instruction, and in the end had to seek refuge in one of the stables in the mountain, and that night Jesus was born.

Upon the birth of the Jesus, an angel of the Lord appeared to the shepherds: Elias, Levi, Samuel, Jonah, Isaac, Tobias, Jonathan, Daniel, Simeon, John, Joseph and Benjamin. The angel announced to them the Savior had been born, and He'd be found in Bethlehem, wrapped in swaddling clothes in a manager, for there was no room found in the city of David. After hearing the angel's words, one of the shepherds knew who the angel spoke of, it was Elias, who had met Joseph and Mary earlier on the road to Bethlehem. He immediately commanded that he and his friends set out to see them, bringing milk, cheese, lambs, and tanned hides.

When the shepherds arrived at the manger, Elias, seeing the conditions they were living in, said his wife, Anne, would be willing to welcome them at her hospitable house there in Bethlehem. Then, he offered to relay the news of Jesus's birth to any of their family members, and Mary mentioned her cousin Elizabeth, and her husband Zacharias, so he went to them.

A few days later, Joseph, Mary, and Jesus were now living at the hospitable house in Bethlehem, ran by Anne. Zacharias did receive Elias's message, and came to see them, explaining that Elizabeth, and their son John, could not make it due to the winter weather conditions, John teething, etc.

It wasn't until Jesus was 9 to 12 months old that the three wise men had finally reached Bethlehem, and visited them. Not long after, Jesus and His family had to flee to Egypt, and remain there until the death of Herod.

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Re: Why are the death and birth dates of Jesus so complicated?

Post by SEG » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:20 pm

cool story bro
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Re: Why are the death and birth dates of Jesus so complicated?

Post by Claire » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:18 pm

I think it's.

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Re: Why are the death and birth dates of Jesus so complicated?

Post by SEG » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:10 pm

What?
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Why are the death and birth dates of Jesus so complicated?

Post by Claire » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:12 pm

Re-read our conversation.

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