You realize that I re-affirm that decision on a regular basis, right? You realize that I am always considering atheist arguments, because if what I am saying is true, then no atheist argument can be true; therefore if I find an atheist argument that is true, then I will have to reconsider -- right?SEG wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 7:32 amI was talking about when you last decided to be a Christian.Og3 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 5:34 amIf you believe that my mind is unchangeable then you have not read a thing that I've told you about myself. I have described at least two times when I weighed all that I believe on a matter, and resolved to accept the truth regardless what that truth might turn out to be. In fact, I can think of four times, on various matters, when I have done that. On two of those occasions, I came to the realization that my prior positions were wrong, and changed them. One such event involved a radical change in my political position. Another involved a change as a matter of conscience on an issue I had previously tried to ignore.
I am not unchangeable. But you, Sir, seem to be.
And you should be doing that, also.
See, there's the problem. You simply stopped believing. Because Nicholas of Myra was a real person, so clearly you didn't do enough research to find the historical person.Sure. Up to 4-5 years of age I was convinced that Santa Claus was a magical person that had flying reindeers etc. My parents had me convinced that this was true and so did my friends and other adults in authority. I decided to question my parents directly with a resolution to adopt whatever position was true and/or right, regardless of my prior feelings on the matter. I changed my mind when I saw that they were awkwardly making stuff up and when the evidence started to mount up against the idea.Og3 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 5:34 amCan you name a time in your life when you have chosen to examine your belief on ANY topic with a resolution to adopt whatever position was true and/or right, regardless of your prior feelings on the matter?
And can you tell us of a time when such an examination led to a radical departure from your prior position?
In other words, you never actually considered it, but merely stopped believing. Like the brother on the hunting trip in Tolstoy's confession.Same deal with the Jesus stories and the ridiculous story of Noah's ark. They seemed magical at the start and nice thoughts if it was true, but they were even easier to shed than Santa.
While that is an example of making a fact based decision -- well, let's compare that to your decision about Santa Claus. With Santa Claus, you made a decision based upon a lack of trust in the story related to you. Did you apply a similar skepticism with your MD?As an adult, my heart is not working as it should and I have VT (Ventricular tachycardia) which has nearly killed me on several occasions if I didn't have my implanted defib. I have decided to give up my favourite sport because it could kill me despite having the back up of the defib - it may not shock me back to life. I am having ablation surgery on 5/6/19 in a few weeks to try and get it corrected. I will make further updated decision whether to return to my sport if it is successful with a resolution to adopt whatever position was true and/or right, regardless of my prior feelings on the matter.
did you ask, for example, how he could be sure you have VT and not, say, Atrial Fibrillation? Did you ask him what Differential diagnosis he used to rule out, say, Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (and if you're athletic, as you say, then COPD is unlikely; nonetheless, the logical point remains)? Did you at least look at the EKG printouts?
If you were following the pattern dictated by your Santa decision, you'd have simply said, "Nah, that's rubbish." But instead you listened to the evidence, didn't you? And you accepted the expert testimony of the MD, didn't you? I'm assuming you didn't ask for his Medical School transcripts...
And yet you spend hours each day on a forum discussion religion. Hmmmm.So yeah, I can change my mind on important matters. With religion I don't count it as important.
I'd rather see you reason logically to a conclusion, even if it is the one you already hold.Don't sweat me having a deathbed conversion!