Bliss in Heaven While Your Daughter Gets Tortured

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Bliss in Heaven While Your Daughter Gets Tortured

Post by SEG » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:04 am

Anyone who goes to Heaven will have a blissful time for all eternity according to most Christians. But what if your daughter or other family member gets sent to Hell?

How could you eternally praise your daughter’s torturer or remain in bliss while hearing her screaming for mercy?
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Bliss in Heaven While Your Daughter Gets Tortured

Post by Chapabel » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:53 pm

SEG wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:04 am
Anyone who goes to Heaven will have a blissful time for all eternity according to most Christians. But what if your daughter or other family member gets sent to Hell?

How could you eternally praise your daughter’s torturer or remain in bliss while hearing her screaming for mercy?
People don't get "sent" to Hell. God allows people the choose for themselves where they spend eternity. The real question is what kind of father would allow his daughter to go to Hell without doing everything possible to prevent that from happening. In the end, God holds each person responsible for their actions. I raised both of my children in the fear and admonition of the Lord. I have seen both of my children accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. I have seen them baptized and make a public profession of their faith in Christ. I will never hear them scream in pain and torture. I will spend eternity with them in Heaven. If you have a daughter who is lost and you do nothing to see her saved, then you will spend eternity in the torment of hearing her screams. You can't hold God responsible for your negligence.

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Re: Bliss in Heaven While Your Daughter Gets Tortured

Post by SEG » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:02 am

Chapabel wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:53 pm
People don't get "sent" to Hell. God allows people the choose for themselves where they spend eternity.
Then I would like to spend it in my grave. Why would anyone want to send themselves to Hell?
Chapabel wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:53 pm
The real question is what kind of father would allow his daughter to go to Hell without doing everything possible to prevent that from happening.
What happens when devout Christians do everything in their power to turn their child to Christ but she is not convinced? She becomes a doctor specialising in curing blindness in children and devotes her life helping people in 3rd world countries and is a kind, compassionate caring person who gets raped and murdered in a village that she was helping. According to you she ends up in Hell screaming for mercy to an unmerciful god. How could her parents be in bliss in heaven hearing her screams for eternity?
Chapabel wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:53 pm
You can't hold God responsible for your negligence.
I would hold him responsible for the creation of Hell if either existed. Thankfully neither do, they are Christian inventions that frighten only Christians.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Bliss in Heaven While Your Daughter Gets Tortured

Post by Chapabel » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:38 am

SEG wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:02 am
I would hold him responsible for the creation of Hell if either existed. Thankfully neither do, they are Christian inventions that frighten only Christians.
Then your original question is moot. If you don’t believe in a Hell then you can’t be frightened. So again, you are only trying to disparage believers. BTW, Hell does not frighten Christians. We ain’t going there. It concerns us that people choose to go there instead of Heaven, but if that is your choice. Good luck with that

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Re: Bliss in Heaven While Your Daughter Gets Tortured

Post by SEG » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:14 am

Chapabel wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:38 am
BTW, Hell does not frighten Christians.
Bullshit, it frightens the wits out of them and has done since it was invented by ancient men that knew no better.
We ain’t going there. It concerns us that people choose to go there instead of Heaven, but if that is your choice.

No-one would be silly enough to choose that, it is an attempt to soften what a supposedly kind and benevolent does to wave the big stick at gullible Christians and their indoctrinated children. A truly merciful god would not allow such a vile, unjust, and evil place to exist.

The reason for the post was because I wanted to know how you could rationalise this: "What happens when devout Christians do everything in their power to turn their child to Christ but she is not convinced? She becomes a doctor specialising in curing blindness in children and devotes her life helping people in 3rd world countries and is a kind, compassionate caring person who gets raped and murdered in a village that she was helping. According to you she ends up in Hell screaming for mercy to an unmerciful god. How could her parents be in bliss in heaven hearing her screams for eternity? "

It's fine if you don't want to answer tough questions, I think the answer is obvious.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Bliss in Heaven While Your Daughter Gets Tortured

Post by Chapabel » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:43 am

SEG wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:14 am
Chapabel wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:38 am
BTW, Hell does not frighten Christians.
Bullshit, it frightens the wits out of them and has done since it was invented by ancient men that knew no better.
We ain’t going there. It concerns us that people choose to go there instead of Heaven, but if that is your choice.

No-one would be silly enough to choose that, it is an attempt to soften what a supposedly kind and benevolent does to wave the big stick at gullible Christians and their indoctrinated children. A truly merciful god would not allow such a vile, unjust, and evil place to exist.

The reason for the post was because I wanted to know how you could rationalise this: "What happens when devout Christians do everything in their power to turn their child to Christ but she is not convinced? She becomes a doctor specialising in curing blindness in children and devotes her life helping people in 3rd world countries and is a kind, compassionate caring person who gets raped and murdered in a village that she was helping. According to you she ends up in Hell screaming for mercy to an unmerciful god. How could her parents be in bliss in heaven hearing her screams for eternity? "

It's fine if you don't want to answer tough questions, I think the answer is obvious.
Son, let me tell you something that you cannot comprehend...as a Christian nothing frightens me. Nothing. Especially a place I know I will never enter. Just because you have a fear of Hell don't try to project your fear on me.

As far as your "tough" question is concerned there are a couple of points I will make. First, yes, the woman in your scenario will enter Hell because she is a sinner. Everyone is a sinner regardless of how much "good" they do. There are not enough good things a person can do to earn their way into Heaven. So you have misconstrued the woman's innocence. She is not innocent. Every person stands guilty of sins before a holy God. If her parents are devout Christians and have presented the Gospel to her and she rejected Christ as her Savior, then she walks away from the only way to escape God's judgment and therefore chooses Hell over Heaven. No matter how you try to sugar-coat her goodness, she is responsible for her sins and those sins will be addressed after she dies. The resulting judgement is eternity separated from God in Hell with the god she chose, Satan.

Secondly, in Heaven we will be in spiritual bodies, not these earthly bodies. In this body, my children are flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone. But in my spiritual body, only those who are saved, blood-washed believers are my family. So when this woman dies and enters Hell she is no longer related to the earthly parents that raised her. All earthly cares, concerns and pleasures will cease in Heaven. That includes relationships formed during our earthly walk. In Heaven the parents will be focused only on worshiping the Lord and enjoying the pleasures of being with other believers. The daughter will be long forgotten. And, there is no indication any screams from Hell will be heard by anyone in Heaven.

So, if you have a daughter and if you love her and you don't want her screaming for mercy for all eternity, the most important thing you could do for her is tell her about Jesus Christ.

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Re: Bliss in Heaven While Your Daughter Gets Tortured

Post by SEG » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:59 pm

That explains a lot about Chappy, he loves Jesus, an imaginary god more than he loves his own family. I'd hate to be related to him.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: Bliss in Heaven While Your Daughter Gets Tortured

Post by Claire » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:42 pm

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Re: Bliss in Heaven While Your Daughter Gets Tortured

Post by Chapabel » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:19 pm

SEG wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:59 pm
That explains a lot about Chappy, he loves Jesus, an imaginary god more than he loves his own family. I'd hate to be related to him.
I do love Jesus more than I love my immediate family. I make no apologies for that.

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Re: Bliss in Heaven While Your Daughter Gets Tortured

Post by Claire » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:20 am

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