God, a Nothing Special Author

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God, a Nothing Special Author

Post by SEG » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:57 pm

Christians often say that the Bible was written under the inspiration of God. If it was, it should have inspiring, wonderful information only a deity could dictate. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The following quote by Sam Harris sums this up nicely:
Let’s just grant the possibility that there is a Creator God, who’s omniscient, who occasionally authors books. And he’s gonna give us a book – the most useful book. He’s a loving God, he’s a compassionate God, and he’s gonna give us a guide to life. He’s got a scribe, the scribe’s gonna write it down. What’s gonna be in that book? I mean just think of how good a book would be if it were authored by an omniscient deity. I mean, there is not a single line in the Bible or the Koran that could not have been authored by a first century person. There is not one reference to anything – there are pages and pages about how to sacrifice animals, and keep slaves, and who to kill and why. There’s nothing about electricity, there’s nothing about DNA, there’s nothing about infectious disease, the principles of infectious disease. There’s nothing particularly useful, and there’s a lot of iron age barbarism in there, and superstition. This is not a candidate book.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: God, a Nothing Special Author

Post by Claire » Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:32 pm

So, if electricity, DNA, infectious diseases, and the principals of infectious diseases was referenced in the Bible that'd mean God exists?

Lol.

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Re: God, a Nothing Special Author

Post by SEG » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:34 am

Claire wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:32 pm
So, if electricity, DNA, infectious diseases, and the principals of infectious diseases was referenced in the Bible that'd mean God exists?

Lol.
Lol! No of course not! The point is that your book supposedly being divinely inspired offers nothing special that an ignorant iron age author wouldn't know about.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: God, a Nothing Special Author

Post by SEG » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:51 am

Claire wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:32 pm
So, if electricity, DNA, infectious diseases, and the principals of infectious diseases was referenced in the Bible that'd mean God exists?

Lol.
If you could name any scientific knowledge that would not have been known to Iron Age people, you may have a point that there was a special force behind your holy book. But there is no such thing.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: God, a Nothing Special Author

Post by Claire » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:40 am

Claire wrote:
SEG wrote:Christians often say that the Bible was written under the inspiration of God. If it was, it should have inspiring, wonderful information only a deity could dictate. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The following quote by Sam Harris sums this up nicely:
Let’s just grant the possibility that there is a Creator God, who’s omniscient, who occasionally authors books. And he’s gonna give us a book – the most useful book. He’s a loving God, he’s a compassionate God, and he’s gonna give us a guide to life. He’s got a scribe, the scribe’s gonna write it down. What’s gonna be in that book? I mean just think of how good a book would be if it were authored by an omniscient deity. I mean, there is not a single line in the Bible or the Koran that could not have been authored by a first century person. There is not one reference to anything – there are pages and pages about how to sacrifice animals, and keep slaves, and who to kill and why. There’s nothing about electricity, there’s nothing about DNA, there’s nothing about infectious disease, the principles of infectious disease. There’s nothing particularly useful, and there’s a lot of iron age barbarism in there, and superstition. This is not a candidate book.

So, if electricity, DNA, infectious diseases, and the principals of infectious diseases was referenced in the Bible that'd mean God exists?

Lol.
SEG wrote:Lol! No of course not!
Sam Harris is saying the opposite. Apparently, you didn't understand the words spoken by your own source. Now that you do, if you agree with him that had such references been made, e.g., DNA, principals of infectious diseases, etc, it'd mean God exists then that's laughable, because you've criticized modern day believers who knew information that wasn't yet discovered, and later confirmed to be true after their death. So, it's doubtful you would accept any biblical references in the way mentioned by Harris as coming from God.

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Re: God, a Nothing Special Author

Post by SEG » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:29 am

Claire wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:40 am
Sam Harris is saying the opposite.
You have comprehension problems, he said nothing of the sort. He is saying that God didn't say anything special in the Bible and a real omniscient and powerful god would give us helpful scientific knowledge. The Bible is limited to information that a 1st century person would be aware of and nothing more. God is a "Nothing Special Author".
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: God, a Nothing Special Author

Post by Claire » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:43 am

Claire wrote:
SEG wrote:Christians often say that the Bible was written under the inspiration of God. If it was, it should have inspiring, wonderful information only a deity could dictate. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The following quote by Sam Harris sums this up nicely:
Let’s just grant the possibility that there is a Creator God, who’s omniscient, who occasionally authors books. And he’s gonna give us a book – the most useful book. He’s a loving God, he’s a compassionate God, and he’s gonna give us a guide to life. He’s got a scribe, the scribe’s gonna write it down. What’s gonna be in that book? I mean just think of how good a book would be if it were authored by an omniscient deity. I mean, there is not a single line in the Bible or the Koran that could not have been authored by a first century person. There is not one reference to anything – there are pages and pages about how to sacrifice animals, and keep slaves, and who to kill and why. There’s nothing about electricity, there’s nothing about DNA, there’s nothing about infectious disease, the principles of infectious disease. There’s nothing particularly useful, and there’s a lot of iron age barbarism in there, and superstition. This is not a candidate book.

So, if electricity, DNA, infectious diseases, and the principals of infectious diseases was referenced in the Bible that'd mean God exists?

Lol.
SEG wrote:
Claire wrote:
SEG wrote:Lol! No of course not!
Sam Harris is saying the opposite. Apparently, you didn't understand the words spoken by your own source.
You have comprehension problems, he said nothing of the sort. He is saying that God didn't say anything special in the Bible and a real omniscient and powerful god would give us helpful scientific knowledge.
His entire point was to say that those specific subjects being covered in the Bible, e.g., DNA, electricity, principals of infectious diseases, etc, would offer evidence for God. That's why it's phrased as if to say "If God Really existed, He would have taught us these things". In other words, if those things were in there it would've been proof of God's existence.

If you agree with him then that's laughable, because you've criticized modern day believers who knew information that wasn't yet discovered, and later proven to be true after their death. So, it's doubtful you would accept any biblical references in the way mentioned by Harris as coming from God.
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Re: God, a Nothing Special Author

Post by SEG » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:35 pm

You are getting confused between what is evidence and what is proof for God. Information about electricity in the Bible (for example) might be very convincing evidence, but it wouldn't be proof of his existence and Harris isn't saying that.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: God, a Nothing Special Author

Post by SEG » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:40 pm

What is currently written in the Bible is some very ordinary, well known information and lots of incorrect information. That's evidence of it being written by ignorant Iron Age men, not all knowing gods.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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Re: God, a Nothing Special Author

Post by SEG » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:43 pm

It also evidence that your crazy old lady didn't dream up anything special either.
Premise One: If a compassionate God exists, then he would do things just as a compassionate person would.
Premise Two: God doesn't do things as a compassionate person would.
Conclusion: Therefore, a compassionate God does not exist.

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