mitchellmckain wrote:Just because people hide in a crowd does not make them right. And just because I have faults and people have criticisms of me does not make what you say correct.
Your faults are those you project onto others without owning it yourself.
mm wrote:Judging what people do and judging the people themselves are two very different things. I only comment on posts. I am not the one who has been turning the discussion to a person's character in this dishonest ad-hominem tactic to distract everyone from the issues.
You are the one who chose to rejoinder "Why don't you?" when I suggested you lead by example. I AM leading by example-- my philosophical underpinning is to not allow theists to have all the special pleadings, exemptions and irrational hoop-jumping they classically are given in these debates. So, I lead by not allowing that device.
I cite the philosophy you claim you adhere to and ask you why you don't lead by your
example? Because you don't do it. You claim to believe in these philosophies, and you do the opposite of what they are supposed to lead you to doing. Meanwhile, I'm adhering to my grounding
But no I do not accept your effort to turn Jesus words into handcuffs for your own personal convenience. You using the words of Jesus for your own self-serving purpose when you do not believe in them is REAL hypocrisy.
I don't have to believe in them to see you ignoring them. Turning this around on me doesn't absolve you from the fact that you are still ignoring your own religious philosophy
. It is not a hypocrisy to say, "I do not believe in X, hence I will not personally do X" -- and yet when I see someone who says, "I believe in X but I won't do X" -- well, accoridng to what "hypocrite" means -- that perosn is the real hypocrite. And even Jesus
says that you'll run into people like me and you're to remain humble; he
asks you to lead by example -- but you think my noting this scriptural element is trying to handcuff you. I wonder what he would think of your position?
So, I ask you again-- why won't you lead by example? I already do, but see if you can make it about you and hold it on you just for as long as it takes to explain why you don't.
But it is rather apparent that you ARE playing a movie that you are watching rather than listening to what people are actually saying/writing, for where did this "you hate god" crap come from? I haven't a clue what you are talking about because it certainly has absolutely nothing to do with anything I have said.
I didn't say you said it, I said it's a psychological tactic often used by theists -- that being raised "extremely" this or that creates a rebelliousness, such as "you must hate god" or "why do you hate god". It's the tactic I take issue with, not the specific charge of "you hate god".
This is exactly why I have you on ignore because so many of your posts are not responding to what I actually say that it becomes a waste of time to even read them.
I would say that this happens on occasion -- because everyone strays now and again. I recall seeing an EXACTLY!!
response from you to a post of mine somewhere... Oh yeah-- just a couple above this one-- where apparently I did address the issue dead on. So is it you "keeping score"? Because if we do that, then we'll have to account for the many many many times you go off on your"intolerant / bigot" tangent. Yet, I don't see anyone putting you on ignore (who knows, maybe they are).
But now you're sounding a lot like GW Bush and our march to his war: "WMDs... no wait, hating us for our freedoms .... no wait, removing a tyrant... no wait, giving them their freedom... no, wait, securing the Middle East... no wait...". First it was "you're trolling" -- now it's "not responding to the issues in your posts". No, wait... what will it be next? And why is it that only you
(and to a lesser extant, Rian) seem to have this problem with me? Whatever anyone else says, "Not replying to what the person said" and "trolling" is not an accusation I ever hear from anyone-- except you.
What it looks
like is agenda-based argument. It looks
like you're all fine and dandy until cornered. Then, you both like to lash out.