Here’s where I think I am at present, for the moment, theologically speaking, and why I consider myself probably to be a deist, believing in a god rather than no god – so far:
(1) Literally billions of people throughout history, across all cultures, have claimed to have had what they believed to have been some kind of personal, intimate experience with some kind of energy, force, being, etc. that they believed to be a ‘god’ (or other identifiers to that effect).
(2) Nothing for me has been able to adequately explain the origins of matter, space, energy, components of a “Big Bang” event, etc., resulting in the incredible proposition that the universe simply ‘sprang’ into being, uncaused, out of nothing, which seems to me far more preposterous than a ‘god-cause’ of the universe.
(3) The existence of an infinitesimally detailed order in the physical and biological universe, on micro and macro levels and everywhere in between, rather than the greater likelihood of random chaos, as well as the “laws” of nature and science as we observe and understand them so far, are for me much better accounted for by a ‘god-caused’ universe than by other explanations.
(4) Nothing for me has been able to adequately account for the transition from non-life to life, given the ultimately improbable odds against survival of any initial life forms that might have ‘accidentally’ formed as single events, let alone on any scale even remotely close to what would have been required for life to survive and propagate, even given the billions of years over which that would have had to occur.
(5) Still thinking….
(a) The ‘god’ in which I believe is not an anthropomorphic, intervening, “super heroic” kind of ‘person’ god of any of the religions people have developed in their attempts to make sense of their experiences, nor any non-personal object or force of nature to which people have assigned ‘deity’ status. This would include the Judeo-Christian-Islamic gods of Abraham (Yahweh and Allah), all the gods of all the “Eastern” religions and philosophies, all the gods of the ancient and primitive religions, all the Greek and Roman gods, the Sun, the Moon, the stars, the wind, golden calves, crystals, etc.
(b) There is no “answer” to the question of where ‘god’ came from. For me, god transcends time and space and is personal without being a ‘person.’ Time and space began with the coming into being of the universe. Before that, there was no time or space, and therefore no such things as ‘infinity’ or ‘eternity’ or other time-related words like the first word in this sentence. There was no “before that”………………..
(c) I could change my mind on all of this at any time.
JustJim wrote:What took me away from my original Lutheran and later Pentecostal understandings of God was, so far as I can put it into words, REASON... i.e., none of that stuff made any reasonable sense to me anymore, and I had to let go of it and find something that did make sense. I'm still searching..... (Sorry, SS... didn't mean to imply I'm you... LOL...)
Josiah wrote: I don't think Christians need to run from the truth, because we are right. If we just have courage to pursue truth, we will see that the truth will set us free, and will lead to a deeper and stronger faith, and a wider and more powerful impact on society. That has been my experience, and is my belief at any rate.
humanguy wrote:All notions of god vanished once I became well and truly convinced that god is nothing more than an ancient human invention.
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