NH Baritone wrote:Let's make certain we know what your question is.
Bigduggieface wrote:NH Baritone wrote:Let's make certain we know what your question is.
To clarify, I'm talking about biological evolution. Speciation. The development of life on Earth from simple, unicellular organisms to the complex diversity of life we see today.
Thanks, NH Baritone for the info on Zach Moore's podcast. This looks to be a valuable resource that I have been unaware of. The TalkOrigins.org website that you mention is popular and can be useful for researching particular questions. However, this site may be daunting to someone who is unsure of what questions to ask.
I'm looking for a resource that takes the person by the hand and guides them step-by-step through the basics of biological evolution. There must be a comprehensive book out there geared towards the uninitiated.
Bigduggieface wrote:I suppose like many of us, my understanding about the theory of evolution was cobbled together piece-by-piece over the years. I was educated here in Canada, and in my high school biology classes we were exposed to Darwin, the mechanism of natural selection, heredity, DNA and chromosomes, etc. On my own, in my early twenties, I read several books and articles about this subject at random. Eventually, I understood more and more and I think I've come to understand evolution and the biological nuts and bolts that drive the process reasonably well having never been formally trained in the subject.
The reason for my post is this: I've got an acquaintance who is a recovering Jehovah's Witness. This 30-ish year old man was not only uneducated about evolution, but was sadly discouraged from any inquiry into the subject ("If man evolved from fish, why are there still fish?" is a real hurdle for this poor fella).
I was about to recommend an introductory book on the subject, and I realized that I could not think of one! My evolution education was patched together from reading all kinds of books and articles over the years, many of which assume that the reader understands natural selection and Darwin's contributions to biology. My library collection contains Dawkins, Gould, Ingram, etc. These books are not suitable for such a layman.
So my ultimate question that I'm hoping that our distinguished forum members can help me with is -- What's the best way to help this guy understand how evolution operates? If anyone knows of a good website, or even better- a good introductory book, please let me know!
I've already directed him to the PBS "Evolution" series of videos. I also suggested some of Potholer54's fine YouTube videos. I'm unaware of any excellent websites or books. The only book that came to mind would be Donald Prothero's "Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters".
Any suggestions about effectively helping to set this guy straight?
Carico wrote: The problem is, since the story of evolution is as imaginary as each individual imagination, then of course no one can know what it states. Since Darwin never described his main characters, (the common ancestors) then of course he can't know what they were capable of breeding and neither can his readers. I've heard (from evolutionary scientists, no less)that the common ancestor is anything from apes to aliens.
But what makes the story of evolution a delusion is that Darwin actually believed that the characters he conjured up in his imagination actually existed! It's bad enough when an author believes his characters are real, but when he believes that characters he can't even describe are real, then he is even more delusional.
So needless to say, a badly written fiction story cannot make a good true story.
4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.
10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out upward; each had two wings, one touching the wing of another creature on either side, and two wings covering its body. 12 Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.
Carico wrote: Sorry, but interpreting fossils is as subjective as speculating what shapes leaves on a tree form. So the old adage "archeologists always find what they're looking for" rings true in the story of evolution as well.
So no, you have no evidence either in history or biologically that monkeys, apes of better yet, imaginary animals can turn into people. So no, you have no evidence in history or biology that the story of evolution is true. That makes it a fairy tale which is why it's a popular myth.
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