Messages from Blessed Virgin Mary.

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Re: Messages from Blessed Virgin Mary.

Postby Clare » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:40 pm

Chapabel wrote:
Clare wrote:
Chapabel wrote:Clare, after doing some research it seems the Catholic Church has not officially recognized the messages from Mirjana as authentic. Their official conclusion is that the visions and messages are "non constat; that is, it cannot confirm the supernatural nature of the apparitions". It looks as if you are promoting messages without approval of your faith group.


I've already researched that and the following a long time ago:

In April 1991, the bishops of the former Yugoslavia determined that “on the basis of the research that has been done, it is not possible to state that there were apparitions or supernatural revelations.


On June 2015, on his way back from a day trip to Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Pope Francis said the Vatican had reached a conclusion, and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith would soon release a set of guidelines for the bishops.

More than a year later, no such document has been released.


http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ ... age-77717/

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2016/07/05/ ... -new-move/

I say those who say the miracles and apparitions in Medjugorje are false are wrong.


And you base this on what? Have you personally witnessed Mary or heard her speak?


Also, the Church takes this position a lot, especially regarding visions and miracles, because they are cautious. Sometimes overly cautious. And, that's why Catholics know it's fine to believe even if the Church hasn't officially endorsed it. And, there will even be people in authority who believe it's legit, but as an organization won't make an official ruling.

To answer your question, I have no problem saying neither. Seeing with our eyes and hearing with our ears isn't the only way to see and hear what is of the Lord. After having heard and read numerous testimonies by people who experienced miracles there, read the results of various scientific testing performed on the visionaries in the middle of their ecstasy, and reading the messages from The Blessed Virgin Mary, I know in my spirit it's the Truth. Take the Bible, I haven't witnessed or heard the people mentioned in it either. But, there's a knowing in my spirit that what they saw and said is Truth.

Lastly, Simplyme asked you a question on the previous page of this thread in case you missed it.
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Re: Messages from Blessed Virgin Mary.

Postby Chapabel » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:57 am

Clare wrote:Also, the Church takes this position a lot, especially regarding visions and miracles, because they are cautious. Sometimes overly cautious. And, that's why Catholics know it's fine to believe even if the Church hasn't officially endorsed it. And, there will even be people in authority who believe it's legit, but as an organization won't make an official ruling.

To answer your question, I have no problem saying neither. Seeing with our eyes and hearing with our ears isn't the only way to see and hear what is of the Lord. After having heard and read numerous testimonies by people who experienced miracles there, read the results of various scientific testing performed on the visionaries in the middle of their ecstasy, and reading the messages from The Blessed Virgin Mary, I know in my spirit it's the Truth. Take the Bible, I haven't witnessed or heard the people mentioned in it either. But, there's a knowing in my spirit that what they saw and said is Truth.

Lastly, Simplyme asked you a question on the previous page of this thread in case you missed it.

Well, this comes down to a matter of faith. You believe these messages come from Mary and I don't. Mary plays no role in our salvation; I do not believe she has any message that is not already in the Bible. Again your own faith group has not officially recognized these so-called messages or miracles as authentic. They have had over 40 years to do so. I appreciate a cautious approach, but in 40 years it seems that if these were real your church could verify them.

Simplyme is not a Christian and should not be posting on here, so I will ignore him and his post.
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Re: Messages from Blessed Virgin Mary.

Postby Clare » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:51 am

Clare wrote:
Chapabel wrote:Clare, after doing some research it seems the Catholic Church has not officially recognized the messages from Mirjana as authentic. Their official conclusion is that the visions and messages are "non constat; that is, it cannot confirm the supernatural nature of the apparitions". It looks as if you are promoting messages without approval of your faith group.


I've already researched that and the following a long time ago:

In April 1991, the bishops of the former Yugoslavia determined that “on the basis of the research that has been done, it is not possible to state that there were apparitions or supernatural revelations.


On June 2015, on his way back from a day trip to Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Pope Francis said the Vatican had reached a conclusion, and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith would soon release a set of guidelines for the bishops.

More than a year later, no such document has been released.


http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ ... age-77717/

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2016/07/05/ ... -new-move/

I say those who say the miracles and apparitions in Medjugorje are false are wrong.


Chapabel wrote:
Clare wrote:
Chapabel wrote:And you base this on what? Have you personally witnessed Mary or heard her speak?


Also, the Church takes this position a lot, especially regarding visions and miracles, because they are cautious. Sometimes overly cautious. And, that's why Catholics know it's fine to believe even if the Church hasn't officially endorsed it. And, there will even be people in authority who believe it's legit, but as an organization won't make an official ruling.

To answer your question, I have no problem saying neither. Seeing with our eyes and hearing with our ears isn't the only way to see and hear what is of the Lord. After having heard and read numerous testimonies by people who experienced miracles there, read the results of various scientific testing performed on the visionaries in the middle of their ecstasy, and reading the messages from The Blessed Virgin Mary, I know in my spirit it's the Truth. Take the Bible, I haven't witnessed or heard the people mentioned in it either. But, there's a knowing in my spirit that what they saw and said is Truth.

Lastly, Simplyme asked you a question on the previous page of this thread in case you missed it.


Well, this comes down to a matter of faith. You believe these messages come from Mary and I don't. Mary plays no role in our salvation; I do not believe she has any message that is not already in the Bible. Again your own faith group has not officially recognized these so-called messages or miracles as authentic. They have had over 40 years to do so. I appreciate a cautious approach, but in 40 years it seems that if these were real your church could verify them.


For me, and many others, after having heard and read numerous testimonies by people who experienced miracles there, read the results of psychological and various scientific testing performed on the visionaries in the middle of their ecstasy, and reading the messages from The Blessed Virgin Mary, I know in my spirit it's the Truth. The Lord and The Blessed Virgin Mary are alive so why wouldn't they still have things to say? Why would they stop speaking to the world? As for the Church, these apparitions and miracles wouldn't become real the moment the Church approved them. Her messages are Truth, and the miracles are real no matter what the Church's official ruling will be.


Chapabel wrote:And you base this on what? Have you personally witnessed Mary or heard her speak?

Chapabel wrote:
Clare wrote:
Simplyme wrote:I wonder how many xtians personally witnessed Jesus or heard him speak? Have you personally witness Jesus or heard him speak Chap?


Lastly, Simplyme asked you a question on the previous page of this thread in case you missed it.


Simplyme is not a Christian and should not be posting on here, so I will ignore him and his post.


Right, but you can answer his question in this thread he started - Faith
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Re: Messages from Blessed Virgin Mary.

Postby Clare » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:47 am

Latest Medjugorje Message, December 25, 2016 to Mirjana

Dear children! With great joy, today I am carrying my Son Jesus to you, for Him to give you His peace. Open your hearts, little children, and be joyful that you can receive it. Heaven is with you and is fighting for peace in your hearts, in the families and in the world; and you, little children, help with your prayers for it to be so. I bless you with my Son Jesus and call you not to lose hope; and for your gaze and heart to always be directed towards Heaven and eternity. In this way, you will be open to God and to His plans. Thank you for having responded to my call.


Latest Medjugorje Message, December 25, 2016 - Annual apparition to Jakov

At the last daily apparition to Jakov Colo on September 12th, 1998, Our Lady told him that henceforth he would have one apparition a year, every December 25th, on Christmas Day. This is also how it was this year. The apparition began at 2:20 pm and lasted 10 minutes. Afterwards Jakov transmitted the message:

“Dear children! Today, on this day of grace, in a special way, I am calling you to pray for peace. Children, I came here as the Queen of Peace and how many times have I called you to pray for peace. But, children, your hearts are restless. Sin is preventing you from opening yourselves completely to grace and peace which God desires to give you. To live peace, my children, is to first have peace in your hearts and to be surrendered completely to God and to His will. Do not seek peace and joy in the things of this world, because this is all passing. Long for true mercy and peace which come only from God; and only in this way will your hearts be filled with true joy; and only in this way will you be able to become witnesses of peace in this peaceless world. I am your mother and intercede before my Son for each of you. Thank you for having responded to my call. ”
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Re: Messages from Blessed Virgin Mary.

Postby Clare » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:22 pm

Latest Medjugorje Message, January 2, 2016, to Mirjana

Dear children, My Son was the source of love and light when He spoke on earth to the people of all peoples. My apostles, follow His light. This is not easy. You must be little. You must make yourselves smaller than others; with the help of faith to be filled with His love. Not a single person on earth can experience a miraculous experience without faith. I am with you. I am making myself known to you by these comings, by these words; I desire to witness to you my love and motherly care. My children, do not waste time posing questions to which you never receive an answer. At the end of your journey on earth, the Heavenly Father will give them to you. Always know that God knows everything; God sees, God loves. My most beloved Son illuminates lives, dispels darkness; and my motherly love which carries me to you is inexpressible, mysterious but real. I am expressing my feelings to you: love, understanding and motherly benevolence. Of you, my apostles, I am asking for your roses of prayer which need to be acts of love. To my motherly heart these are the dearest prayers. I offer these to my Son Who was born for your sake. He looks at you and hears you. We are always close to you. This is the love which calls, unites, converts, encourages and fulfills. Therefore, my apostles, always love one another and above all, love my Son. This is the only way to salvation, to eternal life. This is my dearest prayer which fills my heart with the most beautiful scent of roses. Pray, always pray for your shepherds that they may have the strength to be the light of my Son. Thank you.
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Re: Messages from Blessed Virgin Mary.

Postby Clare » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:45 pm

Latest Medjugorje Message, January 25, 2017, to Mirjana

Dear children! Today I am calling you to pray for peace: peace in human hearts, peace in the families and peace in the world. Satan is strong and wants to turn all of you against God, and to return you to everything that is human, and to destroy in the heart all feelings towards God and the things of God. You, little children, pray and fight against materialism, modernism and egoism, which the world offers to you. Little children, you decide for holiness and I, with my Son Jesus, intercede for you. Thank you for having responded to my call.



Latest Medjugorje Message, February 2, 2017, to Mirjana

Dear children, You who are striving to offer every day of your life to my Son, you who are trying to live with Him, you who are praying and sacrificing - you are hope in this peaceless world. You are rays of the light of my Son, a living gospel, and you are my beloved apostles of love. My Son is with you. He is with those who think of Him - those who pray. But in the same way, He is patiently waiting for those who do not know Him. Therefore, you, apostles of my love, pray with the heart and with your works show the love of my Son. This is the only hope for you, and this is also the only way to Eternal Life. I, as a mother, I am here with you. Your prayers directed to me are the most beautiful roses of love for me. I cannot but be where I sense the scent of roses. There is hope. Thank you.
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