Rian you started your little anti-catholic tirade with THIS statement "oh boy, I can see problems here, because I have big problems with the RC church!"
YOU brought up problems you had with the RC first. I was responding to that. No tirade - just sincere issues, like the issue that YOU brought up.
In this statement you are referring to the ENTIRE RC Church as a SINGLE entity.
Composed of its members.
(btw, what, in your mind, IS the RC as a single entity? The pope?)
You then continued with THIS statement... "I don't consider them necessarily "Christians" as someone who has a working knowledge of English, though I confess - not of Hebrew - I am FORCED to infer that the 'them' refers to something... what? I wonder... Why to the Subject of the earlier sentence... 'The RC Church'...
Yes, that entity composed of lots of members, like the Methodist church, the Mormon church, etc.
It (the 'them' you used) does NOT refer to the members of the RC Church... WHY? because they have NOT been mentioned as a 'subject' yet and therefore 'them' cannot refer to them.
So what does it refer to, in YOUR mind - the building?
"Look at that lovely RC church, Harriet! And that beautiful little Methodist church!"
"Eh, Frank, I don't know - I have big problems with the RC church
- I think the landscape is appalling!"
I doubt if it's the building, in your mind, so what is it? The leadership? The members that make up the RC church?
I think that by the context surrounding the comment, it's clear that I do NOT mean the building - I mean the members (which is the "religious" definition of church, anyway).
Sorry, I think that there is absolutely no problem with what I said - the RC church is composed of its members, and it's fine to refer to them as the RC church. If you think differently, fine. I doubt if anyone else had problems with what I said, but you manufacture problems sometimes, it seems.
Which is just plain factually incorrect - at the age of discretion (it varies from sect to sect) catholics typically get Confirmed. During which time they 'make a choice' as you put it.
Yes, and as Sue and others have noted, that choice is not always sincere - it can be just to make your family happy, to fit into your society, and many other reasons.
Are there exceptions? Yes.
Ah, I see that we agree after all!!!!
But just as perhaps a child in a christian household, your household perhaps, might not yet have made the choice... they are STILL considered christians. Or did you NOT consider your children NOT christians before they stated it verbally.
I don't consider people Christians until they've made that choice, and that includes my children.
Of course... if all of this is yet another misunderstanding... then you carry the weight of the responsibility because I draw these conclusions from what you post.
Riiiight. Sorry, I don't buy that. It seems to me that over and over, you TRY to grab onto the thing closest to a problem and MAKE it into a problem. I never said that Catholics aren't Christians. You say that I did, and can't provide a quote to prove your point, so you try to throw dust and wave your hands. Sorry, ain't buyin' it. If you can provide a quote where I said that Catholics weren't Christians, then your point would be proven. You can't, so just give it up.
When you state oh boy, I can see problems here, because I have big problems with the RC church!" Then you set the stage for all types of inferences into what you say next.
I think inferences are a bad idea, don't you? If you're not sure what I think, how about asking me? And I'll give you that same courtesy.
"Aurë entuluva! Auta i lómë!" ("Day shall come again! The night is passing!") -- from JRR Tolkien's The Silmarillion
Christianity is the red pill - go for it! Seek the truth, wherever it leads you.