Keep The Reason wrote:A good guesser?
Is God a good guesser? Of course He is. Apparently it bothers some like Tony to think that God could do things like making guesses, taking risks, making sacrifices, or imposing limits on Himself. But it seems that you absolutely must choose between two options.
1. Impose theological limits on what God can do in order to make Him fit absolute definitions the way that Tony does.
2. Or accept that God can impose limits on Himself according to His own choices.
Well limits upon God according to His own choices does not make Him less in my eyes but rather more -- much more. That just gives Him things that Tony's God could never have, like character, integrity and the ability to love others.
Keep The Reason wrote: And a non-infinite god?
Nope. I believe in an infinite God. Yes, that means a God without limits. But as discussed above, there is a question of where you are going to place this lack of limitation. Do you render God static, lifeless and impotent by making this lack of limitation your definition of Him so He is incapable of doing anything which your definiton does not allow, or do you put the lack of limitation where it belongs in His own will to choose whatever actions He might want to take including any limitations He might want to impose upon Himself. No I believe in a God who is infinite in Himself in His own will rather than just in some theological definition.
Keep The Reason wrote:Well honestly, I didn't think you would concede to such an anthropomorphic demi-god sort of character, but now that you have:
There is nothing anthropomorphic about a God who transends the limits of singular personhood -- a being with no limits upon what He can do or know or be. But in rejecting the anthropomorphic God will you like Tony choose something that is less than human and incapable of even doing the things that human beings can do or will you choose something that is far greater, capable of doing all that human beings can do and much much more.
Keep The Reason wrote:1. He's not supreme, so I have no obligation to worship him or even recognize any authority from him
Tony's God, who has to be in absolute control of everything whether He wants to or not, does not sound supreme to me but impotent and inanimate. For the God I believe in, the supremacy is in God's will and not in Tony's theological definitions. Thus the God I believe in can choose to create things that He does not control but which have a free will of their own. This is a God ruled by love rather than power. This is no control freak power monger made in the image of those who use religion as a tool of power -- obsessed with rights to your obedience, but a God that inspires worship rather than one who demands it.
Keep The Reason wrote:2. If he's "guessing" that means he could guess wrong, and I need to see some evidence that I should bet my eternity on some superman character who could be wrong in how I am to be disposed after I die
Yes, when one makes a guess then one can be wrong, when one takes risks then one can be disappointed, when one loves someone else then one can be rejected, and when one creates living things with a free will of their own then they can choose evil.
Yes there are those who hide from the chances of life by making no guesses, taking no risks, loving nobody but themselves and allowing no life in their existence. And when they do, it is they themselves who have chosen the nature of their own existence, whether it be now in the physical or afterwards in the spirit, for hell is the existence of those who hide from life and choose death.
Keep The Reason wrote:Is there any biblical support for this entity or is this your own personal view of god?
Yes, the God that I describe is the one that is actually in the Bible rather than the product of theological definitions.
"The the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and tht every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth and He was grieved in His heart." Genesis 6
"When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God repented of the evil which he had said he would do to them; and he did not do it." Jonah 3
Keep The Reason wrote:4. How does such a being even matter in terms of providing "purpose"?
There are those who believe that God can only make machines and tools created for an end, but I believe that God can create living things and children created as an end in themselves, who can choose for themselves what to do with the life that has been given to them. So all through the Old Testament, God says, "I set before you life and death, therefore choose life." He tells us to embrace the life that He has given us with all of its guesses and risks just as God has done and to give of ourselves in love to others even though we may be rejected and hurt because that is where life is and to hide from the possibility of disappointment or being wrong is to hide from life itself and thus to choose death over life.
Keep The Reason wrote:5. Are we just a lab experiment to him?
No. He is not a detached observer where what He wants does not matter. He is intimately involved and makes what He wants in all of this abundantly clear. He wants us to embrace the goodness of the life He has given us and when we choose evil and death He is "grieved in His heart."
Keep The Reason wrote:6. Now we have a problem of suffering because who is this clown that he should allow this level of pain, and where are his morals? Who made him king? Or is he merely a bully?
I have often heard children yelling that their mommy and daddy are being bad when they don't give them what they want. They call them all sorts of names and heap all sorts of ridicule upon them. This is the risk that is found in love. You can give all your heart, mind and soul to do what is best for the one you love and they can reward you with hatred, contempt and rejection. But less childish observers can often see quite clearly the self-serving whining of the child compared to the patient and humble service of the parent.
Keep The Reason wrote:7. Hey, maybe he's just some kick back entity with hands tied, and in the end I still don't need religion, belief, Jesus, or any of this because it doesn't matter. when I meet him, we'll talk then. Until then, someone has to take a stand about the people who do so many crazy things in his name.
Yes, that is the mandate of life -- to stand up for what you believe no matter what the risks. To cower under the intellectual blackmail of the legalistic religionists is not what I can possibly call life. No. Life demands that we pursue truth wherever it takes us and have faith that any God worthy of the title can appreciate our sincerety and find a way to help us achieve our goals if they are truly worthwhile - and I cannot imagine many goals that are more worthwhile than the truth.
Keep The Reason wrote:(By the way-- do other people know that this entity is just guessing his way through all this?)
The guesses of science are far more certain that the absolute assertions of legalistic religionists, and the guess of God are far more certain than that. But when it comes to anticipating the choices of those with authentic free will then anyone can be wrong, but God who knows us far better than anyone including ourselves is wrong far less often than anyone else.