madaImadam414 wrote:Emery and Norton, thanks for these podcasts; I've listened to this one and the recent is resurrection necessary episode (that one was not very compelling, in my opinion). I really appreciate the continued dedication to reasoned conversation between atheism and Christianity. I am on the Christian side, and I don't think I have time to write a long response at the moment, so I want to summarize the argument so I can go back to it later. Please correct any misunderstanding, Emery.
Yes 2 through 6 is the basic argument. 2 is not a universal Christian belief. However it certainly is a point that many of the Christians that are pro-life also believe assertion number 2 and this argument suggests an inconsistency in the thinking of those that do so.
However lets take a look at the premises (1-4) of this argument ...
madaImadam414 wrote:1. Christians (more or less) are pro-life.
Which is incorrect. There certainly are many Christians who are pro-life, even churches that have made an official stand against abortion. There are many religions that have condemned abortion including Islam, Hinduism, and Sikh. There are even atheists and agnostics who hold that abortion is a violation of human rights. BUT there are MANY Christians, atheists and others who stand up for the rights of women against such mindlessly cruel and inhuman legalism.
madaImadam414 wrote:2. God brings the eterenal souls of children to heaven who die before they can make moral or faith decisions on their own, like the decision to follow Christ or not.
That is a bandaid that people plaster onto religious legalism in order to make it more palatable.
madaImadam414 wrote:3. Humans beyond such a state described in 2 more often than not choose not to follow Christ, presumably to their damnation.
God demands that we make such a choice and it is absurd to think that trying to avoid this can have a good result.
madaImadam414 wrote:4. A responsible Christian parent ought to make it their highest priority to do whatever he or she can to ensure that their childrens' eternal souls go to heaven.
Impossible. Such an assertion can only be affirmed by a "christian" that has fallen completely into the error of legalism and a religion of works -- as if any human beling could possibly insure that a soul of a person will go to heaven. Salvation is the work of God alone.