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Re: Suggestion Box

Postby spongebob » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:28 am

Simplyme wrote:Then would it not just be simple and just state that to post on here you have to be "civil"(as the name states)?


It does, but there's always room for clarification.

Is stating someone's idea as ignorant, considered un-civil?


Not necessarily, but calling someone ignorant is rude. Did your mother not teach you any manners?

I sit face to face all the time with my family members and friends(many xtians), I call them ignorant many times when we discuss religion. I rather they know how I feel then worry about offending them. I'm sure they feel the same. I find it funny that its mostly xtians (any atheist ever been offended here?) who get offended on here. So I guess, this Civility page is just not for me. But i'm good with that.


That might fly in some areas but not where I come from. You would get your face slapped if you called your mother ignorant here. And there are plenty of ways to tell someone they are wrong about something without insulting them.
Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.
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Re: Suggestion Box

Postby Simplyme » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:37 am

It does, but there's always room for clarification.


Agreed

Not necessarily, but calling someone ignorant is rude. Did your mother not teach you any manners?


She did, but being the knucklehead I am........Mind you, I do not consider calling someone ignorant rude. I am fully ignorant on many, many things, and would be ok with being told so.

That might fly in some areas but not where I come from. You would get your face slapped if you called your mother ignorant here. And there are plenty of ways to tell someone they are wrong about something without insulting them.


My mom would not be upset if I were to call her ignorant about a certain subject she is ignorant about, like quantum physics.
I find it rather amusing, when thought of as ignorant or stupid(though I can be on many subjects). Especially by those who believe in a deity up in heaven watching our every move, and rewarding or punishing us after we have expired.
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Re: Suggestion Box

Postby Stacie Cook » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:41 pm

CL Moderator wrote:The CL moderators would like to get the input of the community on a new rule we feel would be advantageous to have in place - a kind of "intellectual charity/anti-fundyism" rule.

Here is the warning that we put up on the Jesus' Really Bad Weekend thread about it:

* * * * General Warning and Announcement from the CL Moderators * * * *

This thread has been dancing around at the edges of the rules for some time in terms of insults and language, and is becoming increasingly angry in tone. We are also seeing a new element which has caused the moderators to work on an addition to our CL rules - we are seeing a kind of "fundy-ism" that is basically pronouncements of the type "I am right/you are wrong", especially in matters that are open to different interpretations or opinion, and this is really a discussion-killer. Examples are things like, "My interpretation of this Bible verse is the right one and your church is all wrong!" and "Obviously God doesn't exist and it's ridiculous to think he does!" Here in the CL, regardless of how you feel outside of the CL, your posts need to reflect an attitude of "there is at least a remote chance that I could be wrong and others could be right", because that attitude promotes discussion and exchange of thoughts and ideas, which is the whole purpose of the Civility Lounge.

We would like the input of the community on this, so we are opening up a discussion in the "Suggestion Box" thread, and would appreciate people's thoughts and suggestions for us to formulate into a new CL guideline.

In the meantime, however, the insults need to stop, or further action will be taken. We are more lenient about language, but if it goes much further, action will be taken. If the hostile tone and dogmatic language continues, we will shut down the thread for a brief "cool-down" period.

-- The CL moderator team


and here is a draft of the proposed rule:

Intellectual charity/anti-"fundyism" rule. You might think your own opinions couldn't possibly be wrong, but stating those opinions in a harsh, dogmatic way kills conversation. "My/my church's interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one!" or "people who believe in gods are delusional, period!" are examples of the kind of thing we will moderate. Remember we're here to talk with people, not at them.


What are people's thoughts on this? Any suggestions for rewording, additions, whatever?

Thank you,

Your CL Moderator team



That's a good amount of that.
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Re: Suggestion Box

Postby Og3 » Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:02 pm

humanguy wrote:
Rian wrote:I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way, but Emery would like to keep it totally rule-free on the rest of the board, and (being the tolerant person that I am :D ) I'm fine with that, now that we have a place where there are some discussion guidelines in place to keep out the discussion-killing types.

Anyway, do you have any suggestions for rewording the rule? Tirtlegrrl and I have been tossing around ideas for a few days, and this is our current draft.
It seems to be fairly worded to me, Rian.

I will second that it is a fair rule.

I am fine with any set of rules that apply equally and without consideration of the person to whom the rule is being applied.
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Re: Suggestion Box

Postby Rian » Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:57 pm

tirtlegrrl and I take that very seriously. That's why it often takes us a while to react to a questionable post - we always confer, and if we don't agree, then we don't act.
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Re: Suggestion Box

Postby Rian » Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:22 pm

aaaaand ...

The rules have been updated! They've been added to and gussied up. Check it out here.

Again, thank you all for your input.
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