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Who is Jesus to you?

Postby Stacie Cook » Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:59 pm

I was going to post this in the Christian section as I was intending to share with Christians, but wanted to post here to allow for open discussion if anyone wanted to add anything...

Our sermon for today was on Philippians 3:7-14, Christ: The object of our Passion.

At the end, we were asked, "Who is Jesus to you?"

Is he a really good guy?
Is he someone you know all the facts about?
Is he an insurance policy from hell?
An angel at most?

Are you passionate about Lord Jesus Christ?

Then our pastor shared a hymn from John Newton based on Matthew 22:42.

I was reminded that Jesus is not someone I can just put in my pocket to carry around....


What think ye of Christ?

What think you of Christ? is the test
To try both your state and your scheme;
You cannot be right in the rest,
Unless you think rightly of him.
As Jesus appears in your view,
As he is beloved or not;
So God is disposed to you,
And mercy or wrath are your lot.

Some take him a creature to be,
A man, or an angel at most:
Sure, these have not feelings like me,
Nor know themselves wretched and lost:
So guilty, so helpless am I,
I durst not confide in his blood,
Nor on his protection rely,
Unless I were sure he is God.

Some call him a Saviour, in word,
But mix their own works with his plan;
And hope he his help will afford,
When they have done all that they can:
If doings prove rather too light,
(A little, they own, they may fail),
They purpose to make up full weight,
By casting his name in the scale.

Some style him the pearl of great price,
And say he's the fountain of joys;
Yet feed upon folly and vice,
And cleave to the world and its toys:
Like Judas, the Saviour they kiss,
And while they salute him, betray;
Ah! what will profession like this
Avail in his terrible day?

If asked, what of Jesus I think?
Though still my best thoughts are but poor,
I say, he's my meat and my drink,
My life, and my strength, and my store;
My Shepherd, my Husband, my Friend,
My Saviour from sin and from thrall;
My hope from beginning to end,
My portion, my Lord, and my All.
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby Og3 » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:27 pm

I believe that there lived a man, Yeshua of Nazareth, between the years 1 BC and 33 AD. I believe that he had twelve followers, and that he taught religious teachings based upon the Jewish traditions. I believe that he was executed by the Romans under false charges of treason against Rome, brought by the religious leaders of the day, who were no longer permitted to execute criminals for violations of their own laws, such as blasphemy.

But who he is to me does not hinge upon any of that. Who he is to me is based on what happened next: I believe that he was stone cold dead, and beyond even the most heroic measure available in modern medicine. And I believe that on the third day, he came back to life. And he has promised that I shall do the same. Who he is to me: The Lord of all, and my friend.
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby mitchellmckain » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:50 pm

I believe a person of the infinite trans-personal God chose to become a human being. We call this person Jesus, who caring nothing for power and knowledge made himself into a single human cell, growing into an embryo in a womb, and then into a helpless infant. He grew as we all grow in knowledge, ability and understanding, subject to the laws of the nature. He was different from us only by being in an unbreakable relationship with God -- this is because He was, is, and always will be God, Himself. He is God not because of knowledge and power any more than we are human because of limbs or a mental capacity; like us He is what He has chosen.

He chose to create the universe for the purpose of life in love and freedom. He chose to speak to us in order to make us His children. He chose to become one of us and He died at our hands. Why? For the liberation and growth of our spirit into something that can partake of eternal life -- not simply eternal existence which we have already and cannot escape from. Eternal life is an existence full of the elements of life: growth, excitement , creativity, love, wonder, challenges, passion, learning and a service -- what makes an eternal existence worthwhile. How? There is only one way I can imagine such a thing even to be possible. It is a relationship with an infinite being who has no end to what He has to give to us if we are but willing to receive.

How do I know all this? It is what I see when I read the Bible. To be sure, you might see something different. Some have seen a justification for misogyny, racism and slavery. Some have see a means to power, self-righteousness, and the manipulation of others. Some have seen a cause for hatred and others have seen a cause for love. They probably see such different things because they are looking for different things. What are looking for?
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby searchengineguy » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:21 pm

Stacie Cook wrote:I was going to post this in the Christian section as I was intending to share with Christians, but wanted to post here to allow for open discussion if anyone wanted to add anything...

Our sermon for today was on Philippians 3:7-14, Christ: The object of our Passion.

At the end, we were asked, "Who is Jesus to you?"

Is he a really good guy?
Is he someone you know all the facts about?
Is he an insurance policy from hell?
An angel at most?

Are you passionate about Lord Jesus Christ?

Then our pastor shared a hymn from John Newton based on Matthew 22:42.

I was reminded that Jesus is not someone I can just put in my pocket to carry around....


What think ye of Christ?

What think you of Christ? is the test
To try both your state and your scheme;
You cannot be right in the rest,
Unless you think rightly of him.
As Jesus appears in your view,
As he is beloved or not;
So God is disposed to you,
And mercy or wrath are your lot.

Some take him a creature to be,
A man, or an angel at most:
Sure, these have not feelings like me,
Nor know themselves wretched and lost:
So guilty, so helpless am I,
I durst not confide in his blood,
Nor on his protection rely,
Unless I were sure he is God.

Some call him a Saviour, in word,
But mix their own works with his plan;
And hope he his help will afford,
When they have done all that they can:
If doings prove rather too light,
(A little, they own, they may fail),
They purpose to make up full weight,
By casting his name in the scale.

Some style him the pearl of great price,
And say he's the fountain of joys;
Yet feed upon folly and vice,
And cleave to the world and its toys:
Like Judas, the Saviour they kiss,
And while they salute him, betray;
Ah! what will profession like this
Avail in his terrible day?

If asked, what of Jesus I think?
Though still my best thoughts are but poor,
I say, he's my meat and my drink,
My life, and my strength, and my store;
My Shepherd, my Husband, my Friend,
My Saviour from sin and from thrall;
My hope from beginning to end,
My portion, my Lord, and my All.


Any one of numerous wandering messiahs wandering around in the Middle East at that time. I don't believe in any Jesus of Nazareth before 33 BCE as Nazareth was not settled until after the First Jewish War, around 70 CE
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby searchengineguy » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:29 pm

Og3 wrote:I believe that there lived a man, Yeshua of Nazareth, between the years 1 BC and 33 AD. I believe that he had twelve followers, and that he taught religious teachings based upon the Jewish traditions. I believe that he was executed by the Romans under false charges of treason against Rome, brought by the religious leaders of the day, who were no longer permitted to execute criminals for violations of their own laws, such as blasphemy.

But who he is to me does not hinge upon any of that. Who he is to me is based on what happened next: I believe that he was stone cold dead, and beyond even the most heroic measure available in modern medicine. And I believe that on the third day, he came back to life. And he has promised that I shall do the same. Who he is to me: The Lord of all, and my friend.


Have you any evidence of a Yeshua of Nazareth was executed by the Romans under false charges of treason against Rome? Evidence that would satisfy a court of criminal law of course. I don't understand how an all powerful god can be killed by humans either. How did he bring himself back to life?
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby searchengineguy » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:50 pm

mitchellmckain wrote:I believe a person of the infinite trans-personal God chose to become a human being. We call this person Jesus, who caring nothing for power and knowledge made himself into a single human cell, growing into an embryo in a womb, and then into a helpless infant.

How do you know that he made himself into a single human cell from nothing? It doesn't say anything like that in the scriptures. Why couldn't there have been several cells or just have Mary waking up one morning with an eight month old foetus in her womb? How could this abiogenesis happen anyway?
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby mitchellmckain » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:20 pm

searchengineguy wrote:
mitchellmckain wrote:I believe a person of the infinite trans-personal God chose to become a human being. We call this person Jesus, who caring nothing for power and knowledge made himself into a single human cell, growing into an embryo in a womb, and then into a helpless infant.

How do you know that he made himself into a single human cell from nothing? It doesn't say anything like that in the scriptures. Why couldn't there have been several cells or just have Mary waking up one morning with an eight month old foetus in her womb? How could this abiogenesis happen anyway?


Why are you adding the words "from nothing"? That was not in what I said. Fact is, I don't believe God did any such thing.
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby searchengineguy » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:45 pm

mitchellmckain wrote:
searchengineguy wrote:
mitchellmckain wrote:I believe a person of the infinite trans-personal God chose to become a human being. We call this person Jesus, who caring nothing for power and knowledge made himself into a single human cell, growing into an embryo in a womb, and then into a helpless infant.

How do you know that he made himself into a single human cell from nothing? It doesn't say anything like that in the scriptures. Why couldn't there have been several cells or just have Mary waking up one morning with an eight month old foetus in her womb? How could this abiogenesis happen anyway?


Why are you adding the words "from nothing"? That was not in what I said. Fact is, I don't believe God did any such thing.

Fair comment, see below:

How do you know that he made himself into a single human cell? It doesn't say anything like that in the scriptures. Why couldn't there have been several cells or just have Mary waking up one morning with an eight month old foetus in her womb? How could this abiogenesis happen anyway?
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby mitchellmckain » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:18 am

searchengineguy wrote:Fair comment, see below:

How do you know that he made himself into a single human cell? It doesn't say anything like that in the scriptures. Why couldn't there have been several cells or just have Mary waking up one morning with an eight month old foetus in her womb? How could this abiogenesis happen anyway?

How do you know that he made himself into a single human cell? That is how human beings start.
It doesn't say anything like that in the scriptures. So? It also doesn't say water is composed of 2 hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom.
Why couldn't there have been several cells or just have Mary waking up one morning with an eight month old foetus in her womb? That would be in violation of the laws of nature which God established. He made them for a reason so why violate them?
How could this abiogenesis happen anyway? Abiogenesis happened a few billion years earlier. Why reinvent the wheel?

I have no more regard for magical Christianity than you do.
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby searchengineguy » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:36 am

mitchellmckain wrote:How do you know that he made himself into a single human cell? That is how human beings start.

Well not according to the Adam and Eve Story, which I know you don't believe.

searchengineguy wrote:It doesn't say anything like that in the scriptures.

mitchellmckain wrote: So? It also doesn't say water is composed of 2 hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom.

That's ok it was for the literalists, I know you are not one of them.

Why couldn't there have been several cells or just have Mary waking up one morning with an eight month old foetus in her womb?
mitchellmckain wrote:That would be in violation of the laws of nature which God established. He made them for a reason so why violate them?

Why not? It makes the same sense as a virgin birth

mitchellmckain wrote:How could this abiogenesis happen anyway? Abiogenesis happened a few billion years earlier. Why reinvent the wheel?

Because it was a spiritual origin of life of the new Christ? I'm just making up stuff now, this forum has taught me well. I'm glad you mentioned billions of years btw, most xtians don't want to know about that.

mitchellmckain wrote:I have no more regard for magical Christianity than you do.

I've noticed. Just a few more steps and you can be as sane as the Atheists :)
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby spongebob » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:03 am

mitchellmckain wrote:I believe a person of the infinite trans-personal God chose to become a human being. We call this person Jesus, who caring nothing for power and knowledge made himself into a single human cell, growing into an embryo in a womb, and then into a helpless infant. He grew as we all grow in knowledge, ability and understanding, subject to the laws of the nature. He was different from us only by being in an unbreakable relationship with God -- this is because He was, is, and always will be God, Himself. He is God not because of knowledge and power any more than we are human because of limbs or a mental capacity; like us He is what He has chosen.

He chose to create the universe for the purpose of life in love and freedom. He chose to speak to us in order to make us His children. He chose to become one of us and He died at our hands. Why? For the liberation and growth of our spirit into something that can partake of eternal life -- not simply eternal existence which we have already and cannot escape from. Eternal life is an existence full of the elements of life: growth, excitement , creativity, love, wonder, challenges, passion, learning and a service -- what makes an eternal existence worthwhile. How? There is only one way I can imagine such a thing even to be possible. It is a relationship with an infinite being who has no end to what He has to give to us if we are but willing to receive.

How do I know all this? It is what I see when I read the Bible. To be sure, you might see something different. Some have seen a justification for misogyny, racism and slavery. Some have see a means to power, self-righteousness, and the manipulation of others. Some have seen a cause for hatred and others have seen a cause for love. They probably see such different things because they are looking for different things. What are looking for?


I find this poetic and inspiring. I wish more Christian churches would adopt this kind of philosophy.
Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby Rian » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:24 pm

searchengineguy wrote:... or just have Mary waking up one morning with an eight month old foetus in her womb?

The person that wrote this is obviously not a woman! :eek: :D
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby Stacie Cook » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:53 pm

Ha! Talking about plumping up.....
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby mitchellmckain » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:00 pm

searchengineguy wrote:
mitchellmckain wrote:How do you know that he made himself into a single human cell? That is how human beings start.

Well not according to the Adam and Eve Story, which I know you don't believe.

I certainly don't believe the Walt Disney version with necromancy, talking animals and trees with magic fruit.

searchengineguy wrote:Why couldn't there have been several cells or just have Mary waking up one morning with an eight month old foetus in her womb?
mitchellmckain wrote:That would be in violation of the laws of nature which God established. He made them for a reason so why violate them?

Why not? It makes the same sense as a virgin birth

What? You don't think a virgin can give birth? Science disagrees with you. It is demonstrable that a virgin CAN give birth. What is required for birth is only the start of menstration and fertilization. The end of virginity plays no part in the process.

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mitchellmckain wrote:How could this abiogenesis happen anyway? Abiogenesis happened a few billion years earlier. Why reinvent the wheel?

Because it was a spiritual origin of life of the new Christ? I'm just making up stuff now, this forum has taught me well.

If this is about stuff you are making up then I suggest you consult yourself as the author of this belief system.

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mitchellmckain wrote:I have no more regard for magical Christianity than you do.

I've noticed. Just a few more steps and you can be as sane as the Atheists :)

LOL
(I will take that as a joke and just laugh, rather than talk about the pitfalls of ideology)
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby Chapabel » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:19 pm

searchengineguy wrote:
Og3 wrote:I believe that there lived a man, Yeshua of Nazareth, between the years 1 BC and 33 AD. I believe that he had twelve followers, and that he taught religious teachings based upon the Jewish traditions. I believe that he was executed by the Romans under false charges of treason against Rome, brought by the religious leaders of the day, who were no longer permitted to execute criminals for violations of their own laws, such as blasphemy.

But who he is to me does not hinge upon any of that. Who he is to me is based on what happened next: I believe that he was stone cold dead, and beyond even the most heroic measure available in modern medicine. And I believe that on the third day, he came back to life. And he has promised that I shall do the same. Who he is to me: The Lord of all, and my friend.


Have you any evidence of a Yeshua of Nazareth was executed by the Romans under false charges of treason against Rome? Evidence that would satisfy a court of criminal law of course. I don't understand how an all powerful god can be killed by humans either. How did he bring himself back to life?

You are correct. No man can kill God. Jesus was crucified, but He wasn't killed. He gave up His life:
John 10:17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

No amount of evidence would suffice for you. People witnessed Jesus' miracles firsthand and still didn't believe. Belief is a choice you make. You can believe, only if you choose to.
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