Who is Jesus to you?

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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby Chapabel » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:22 pm

mitchellmckain wrote:
How do I know all this? It is what I see when I read the Bible. To be sure, you might see something different.


I know what I do about Jesus, not because I've read about Him, but because I know Him personally, and He knows me. That's the difference in religion and a relationship.
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby mitchellmckain » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:38 pm

Chapabel wrote:
mitchellmckain wrote:
How do I know all this? It is what I see when I read the Bible. To be sure, you might see something different.


I know what I do about Jesus, not because I've read about Him, but because I know Him personally, and He knows me. That's the difference in religion and a relationship.


There are those who believe the Bible is the word of God and there are those who do not believe.
There are those who believe knowledge of God can be found in the Bible and there are those who do not believe this.

Those who get knowledge of God from the Bible read these words from Jesus:
John 5 wrote:39 You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me; 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

Thus they know that that the scriptures bear witness to Jesus and from the scriptures we certainly can learn about Him. But from this they also learn that knowledge is not salvation. Salvation does indeed require a relationship. But there are those who confuse relationship with knowledge, ritual, and recitation.
Matthew 7 wrote:21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’

When Jesus says he never knew them He is using the word "knew" in a different sense. God knows all of us down to the deepest secrets in our own hearts. What Jesus means here is they do not have a relationship with him out side the delusions they have cultivated by equating works in his name to a relationship with Him.

I am reminded of children who boast of a personal relationship with some famous person. In reality they show neither personal experience with that person nor even the fruit of research into documented accounts of the person. There is only idle boasting which nobody finds believable. The lie is obvious in the very words they use -- they are empty of the elements of life. There is only their wish to be seen as more and better than others.
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby Og3 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:10 pm

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Og3 wrote:I believe that there lived a man, Yeshua of Nazareth, between the years 1 BC and 33 AD. I believe that he had twelve followers, and that he taught religious teachings based upon the Jewish traditions. I believe that he was executed by the Romans under false charges of treason against Rome, brought by the religious leaders of the day, who were no longer permitted to execute criminals for violations of their own laws, such as blasphemy.

But who he is to me does not hinge upon any of that. Who he is to me is based on what happened next: I believe that he was stone cold dead, and beyond even the most heroic measure available in modern medicine. And I believe that on the third day, he came back to life. And he has promised that I shall do the same. Who he is to me: The Lord of all, and my friend.

Have you any evidence of a Yeshua of Nazareth was executed by the Romans under false charges of treason against Rome? Evidence that would satisfy a court of criminal law of course. I don't understand how an all powerful god can be killed by humans either. How did he bring himself back to life?

How can a relatively all-powerful human allow himself to be nipped at by playful kittens? Very simply, by allowing it to happen.

The scripture states that his body died, and that his soul continued, as ours do.

I do not have to satisfy a court; The question was "Who is Jesus to you?"
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby searchengineguy » Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:31 am

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searchengineguy wrote:
Og3 wrote:I believe that there lived a man, Yeshua of Nazareth, between the years 1 BC and 33 AD. I believe that he had twelve followers, and that he taught religious teachings based upon the Jewish traditions. I believe that he was executed by the Romans under false charges of treason against Rome, brought by the religious leaders of the day, who were no longer permitted to execute criminals for violations of their own laws, such as blasphemy.

But who he is to me does not hinge upon any of that. Who he is to me is based on what happened next: I believe that he was stone cold dead, and beyond even the most heroic measure available in modern medicine. And I believe that on the third day, he came back to life. And he has promised that I shall do the same. Who he is to me: The Lord of all, and my friend.

Have you any evidence of a Yeshua of Nazareth was executed by the Romans under false charges of treason against Rome? Evidence that would satisfy a court of criminal law of course. I don't understand how an all powerful god can be killed by humans either. How did he bring himself back to life?

How can a relatively all-powerful human allow himself to be nipped at by playful kittens? Very simply, by allowing it to happen.

Now that just reeks of S&M. Fish nets in Jerusalem could have a hole (pun intended) new meaning! It would have been a lot easier to forgive us our sins without going through the gory human sacrifice bit. The punishment of all mankind forever through an incontrovertible minor offense of eating forbidden fruit is in stark contrast to an all-loving all-forgiving god. Especially if you believe that new born babies are sinful and sick.

The scripture states that his body died, and that his soul continued, as ours do.


What makes you think that the scriptures are true and aren't the invention of man?

I do not have to satisfy a court; The question was "Who is Jesus to you?"
Of course you don't have satisfy any court, I was asking for evidence that would be of that standard that may sway me into believing yourassertions. It looks like there is none of that standard, only hearsay accounts of dubious witnesses.

Jesus to me was one of many itinerant messiahs in that area or a drug dealer in Mexico. Let me tell you of a modern day equivalent made up story OG:

Kim Jong-il, was the father of Kim Jong-un, "The Supreme Leader." He has risen to god-like status to his people. He believes that his only son, Kim Jong-un, is responsible for the sins of the world and has him agonisingly cruxified in the main public square, believing that this is the only way to atonement and salvation.

Would you think of him as being an incredibly strong, loving, leader among men, or a just crazed psychopath?
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby Stacie Cook » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:26 am

searchengineguy wrote:
Jesus to me was one of many itinerant messiahs in that area or a drug dealer in Mexico. Let me tell you of a modern day equivalent made up story OG:

Kim Jong-il, was the father of Kim Jong-un, "The Supreme Leader." He has risen to god-like status to his people. He believes that his only son, Kim Jong-un, is responsible for the sins of the world and has him agonisingly cruxified in the main public square, believing that this is the only way to atonement and salvation.

Would you think of him as being an incredibly strong, loving, leader among men, or a just crazed psychopath?


Has Kim Jong-un gone around preaching and teaching and claiming himself to be God? Has he taught his followers about loving enemies?
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby searchengineguy » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:56 am

Stacie Cook wrote:
searchengineguy wrote:
Jesus to me was one of many itinerant messiahs in that area or a drug dealer in Mexico. Let me tell you of a modern day equivalent made up story OG:

Kim Jong-il, was the father of Kim Jong-un, "The Supreme Leader." He has risen to god-like status to his people. He believes that his only son, Kim Jong-un, is responsible for the sins of the world and has him agonisingly cruxified in the main public square, believing that this is the only way to atonement and salvation.

Would you think of him as being an incredibly strong, loving, leader among men, or just a crazed psychopath?


Has Kim Jong-un gone around preaching and teaching and claiming himself to be God? Has he taught his followers about loving enemies?


Let's say yes to both, as its made up anyway. Would you think of him as being an incredibly strong, loving, leader among men, or just a crazed psychopath?
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby Rian » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:16 pm

If I had to sum it up, I really like his name Emmanuel - "God with us". That's important to me - that the God that created this whole freakin' amazing universe is with me so closely.
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Re: Who is Jesus to you?

Postby searchengineguy » Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:42 pm

Rian wrote:If I had to sum it up, I really like his name Emmanuel - "God with us". That's important to me - that the God that created this whole freakin' amazing universe is with me so closely.

I've always wondered why no-one called him that, not even "Mannie".
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