Att: Emery

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Att: Emery

Postby Clare » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:44 pm

Hello, Emery.

I have already spoken with your moderator Rian about the edit function in the "Can we have edit function back" but she decided to no longer converse with me about it. I have already emailed and PM'd you but I'd rather just speak with you publicly one on one about that an so everything you and I have to say is seen by all. So, no need to respond to the email or PM but if you prefer to do so I am okay with that.

Apparently you want this forum to be totally rule-free outside of the moderated sections according to your moderator Rian, correct? She and others claim I have abused the edit function. Is it a forum rule to not abuse the edit function? If it is, it would only need to be enforced in the moderated sections of this forum, correct? If it's not a rule, then you deciding to alter the workings of the site by implementing a time limit on the edit function is a form of moderation in this case because it was done in order to change or control a type of behavior. There being an hour time limit on the edit function in itself is not my concern but rather the reasoning behind why it was implemented. That reason being Rian and other forum members did not like when and why I edited certain posts.

I have used the editing function for fixing typos, sentence structure, and adding further content before and after other members had responded. But, the changes made, to the best of my knowledge, never destroyed the context or conversation of which I am accused of doing. I have yet to see the accusers produce evidence of where and how I have. I've edited posts of mine by replacing what I had originally written with *Deleted* and re-submitted if it was too late to use the delete function. On occasion, when I submitted a post it would go unaddressed by the forum member I was conversing with. When that happened, sometimes I would just re-post in case they missed it or forgot to respond. But, then certain forum members started to complain over there being multiple copies of my initial submitted post. So, my plan became if my initial post was not responded to I would re-post a second time then edit the initial post by replacing what I had written with *Deleted*. If the post was still not addressed after the second time of submitting I'd re-post a third time and then edit the second post by replacing what I had written with *Deleted* so on and so forth if needed. Another reason why I did that was because at one point in the "Religious advice rather than "Go to a doctor"??" thread, which can be found in the General Discussion section, I was regretting having gotten involved in the initial topic there. Well, then they started taking me to task over editing posts and replacing what I had written with *Deleted* and then I would explain to them why I did that. Those are all my reasons for why I have edited my posts which I have explained to Rian and others more than once as well.

As for the "Forum rules Keep it real, minimal cutting and pasting please: we want to hear what YOU have to say!", you apparently want this to be a totally rule-free forum outside of the moderated sections according to your moderator Rian. If so, that means no member needs to abide by that unless they are in the moderated sections, correct? Shouldn't you then remove that rule off the top of every discussion page in all the unmoderated sections? And, then wouldn't moderators blowing the whistle on my or any other member's cutting and pasting and telling to adhere to the "Keep it real, minimal cutting and pasting please: we want to hear what YOU have to say!" outside of the moderated sections be out of their jurisdiction?

I'm just interested in getting these matters cleared up as smoothly and soon as possible. I thank you in advance for you time.

(It would be appreciated if all forum members, excluding Emery, could oblige me by refraining from posting in this thread. Thank you)
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Re: Att: Emery

Postby OzAnt » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:29 pm

Hi Emery,

Just a quick heads-up (I imagine you're busy and haven't got time to dig historical info' up).

Clare wrote:But, the changes made, to the best of my knowledge, never destroyed the context or conversation of which I am accused of doing.
Uh huh…

Here's what Clare's said in the past on the matter:

Clare wrote:Earlier in this thread I deleted all posts I had made until I started posting here again. I did that because I regretted at the time I even posted in this thread and gave it energy.


Clare wrote:If people notice a post of mine that's been deleted then they can delete their response if they responded to it. I'll continue to edit and delete when I need and if I can.
(This is not only Clare wanting to delete her historical posts but also her encouraging others to do the same).

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Re: Att: Emery

Postby Rian » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:45 pm

And I don't ever remember saying that Emery said he wanted things "totally rule-free outside of the moderated sections".
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Re: Att: Emery

Postby OzAnt » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:06 pm

Rian wrote:And I don't ever remember saying that Emery said he wanted things "totally rule-free outside of the moderated sections".
Well…non-moderated kind of implies rules-free in my mind at least and I see this as a strength of this forum. In fact that's why I don't post in the Civility Lounge (except for today, as it turns out, just to help Emery out), because I feel I get a better perception of the person I'm communicating with when there are no civility rules. It's like they're not wearing a [forced] mask, if you will.

However, to potentially lose some of those "warts and all" conversations due to the edit feature being used nefariously or being used as the delete button (overwriting an entire post with the word "deleted" or less), that would be like allowing a virus into the forum in my humble opinion.

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Re: Att: Emery

Postby Emery » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:08 pm

2 hours to edit. Dem's the new rules.
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Re: Att: Emery

Postby Clare » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:09 pm

Ok.
Last edited by Clare on Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Att: Emery

Postby Rian » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:34 pm

OzAnt wrote:
Rian wrote:And I don't ever remember saying that Emery said he wanted things "totally rule-free outside of the moderated sections".
Well…non-moderated kind of implies rules-free in my mind at least and I see this as a strength of this forum. In fact that's why I don't post in the Civility Lounge (except for today, as it turns out, just to help Emery out), because I feel I get a better perception of the person I'm communicating with when there are no civility rules. It's like they're not wearing a [forced] mask, if you will.

I see what you're saying. I like posting in both the moderated and un-moderated sections because I think they both have their strengths (as well as their weaknesses). I like having the option of taking things to the CL, though, if I feel that someone is trying to purposefully derail the conversation in the main board by using argumentative/insult tactics.

I was just getting irritated with Clare's misuse of a casual statement of mine, and how she was extrapolating that to lecturing the site owner about how he should run his site.

However, to potentially lose some of those "warts and all" conversations due to the edit feature being used nefariously or being used as the delete button (overwriting an entire post with the word "deleted" or less), that would be like allowing a virus into the forum in my humble opinion.

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Re: Att: Emery

Postby Clare » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:39 pm

Can you please address all I said, Emery?
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Re: Att: Emery

Postby gary_s » Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:41 pm

Wow. Seems the simplest and most productive solution to this "problem" is to ignore this person. Most of her comments seem to be confusing and frustrating anyway. I haven't seen many interesting things come from her. Maybe none at all. Someone who is really interested in conversing doesn't use the tactics she uses, which are inherently provocative, such as repeating comments over and over. You know, sometimes (most times) when someone doesn't reply to your comments, it's because they don't want to.
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Re: Att: Emery

Postby Clare » Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:54 pm

There's other possible reasons why people don't respond besides just not wanting to. So, I would re-ask in case they missed my post or forgot to respond. Those who didn't respond to posts of mine because they didnt want to respond should've just told me that. If they had, I wouldn't have repeated myself and they wouldn't have gotten annoyed or pissed. What other "tactics" do I got, gary?
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Re: Att: Emery

Postby Jesus Raves » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:05 am

Clare wrote:Those who didn't respond to posts of mine because they didnt want to respond should've just told me that.

This is a good bit of comedy. Teehee.
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Re: Att: Emery

Postby CL Moderator » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:55 pm

* * * * Moderator Announcement * * * *

The mods feel that this discussion should not continue in the CL, especially since Emery, having made his decision about the edit function time limit, appears not to be participating in this thread any longer. We invite Clare to move the thread to the General Discussion area or continue the discussion on one of the other two threads about this if she wishes to pursue the topic further, as we will be locking the thread.
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Re: Att: Emery

Postby Clare » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:56 pm

Emery should address what I said. I don't care where.
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