Keep The Reason wrote:
One16Unashamed wrote:KTR, you favor a limit on guns and ammunition.
Yes. This is clearly the least costly and most widely used solutions around the world. Limit gun ownership to weapons that hold 3-6 rounds. Everything above that is illegal. Simple, cost effective, and works as is demonstrated only everywhere else on the planet.
You also favor that the second amendment is rightly interpreted to be for a "well regulated militia ".
That's what it says. Technically we took that and created the National Guard. That's our well regulated militia in today's world. Unfortunately, it's owned by the government so that won't placate the paranoids.
You also know that no government is immune from becoming tyrannical. If you favor people being able to defend themselves, What is the right number of guns and ammunition for a militia?
I don't make this argument; I consider this "armed against our own government" to be ridiculous, utterly impractical fantasizing, and therefore laughable. People defending themselves means against burglars, criminals, their homes from vandals, etc., that sort of thing.
I already argued that your arsenals will be pretty much useless in a scenario where the USA goes tyrannical on us. I think we had this discussion before in fact. Without some other 1st world military power (that can rival the USA, which we know doesn't exist because we're armed 10-14 times greater than our nearest competitor) feeds insurgents weapons and ammo in a "tyrannical USA" scenario, you're basically dead, you and all the milita-men who fantasize that it's 1776 and their little cadres will do much damage. You'll be cut to ribbons by massive superior arms, tanks, drones, air power you cannot hope to match, and if need be, nukes. you're dead. You and all the Big 5 guns you keep in a locker somewhere.
Second, the culture of the USA citizen is such that I would find it pretty much impossible for our armed forces to go along with some sort of tyrannical take over of the USA. The "government" is only as strong as its military, and does anyone here really think that we have a military filled with people who would agree to turn its guns on its own people in any coup d'etat way? Sure, anything could happen, but I truly doubt this will happen in the modern USA. Why? Because there's far too much comfort, wealth and money to be made as things stand today.
Third, I'm not seditious against my own government because I cannot imagine a scenario wherein our government could have it any better. The top 1% owns everything on the planet. The top 10% owns nearly the entire wealth of the USA's trillions. We're the most powerful nation in the world, with arguably the fattest most content, most pampered, most secure populace in the world. I just find it hard to believe that any real demagogue would come in and "take over" America in any violent way. Why should they? They already run it and own it! In fact, given then right wing demagoguery that goes on in this country, I'd say you and those like you are instrumental in the very take over you think your weapons are going to defend against. In other words, the tyrants already won, and they won thanks to people who long ago supplanted our freedom with doctrine and who don't understand what freedom really means (i.e., that it's to be applied to all citizens equally, and that the citizens are important, not the corporations). I'll let you mull over which side of the fence you stand in that questions.
And who else is going to invade us? If they do, they're crazy. They'd be slaughtered by our military. Or nuked if it got bad enough. Not even China would bother, because they already own so much of the US in terms of debt we'll be paying them off forever. They want us alive and working.
It would be like a landlord killing his own tenets to gain the house he already owns, but would only succeed in losing his primary channel of income.
So I'm not really at all worried about this "we need these guns to defend against the government we already handed over to corporations and who make trillions and have no cause to destroy their own goose who lays a massive golden egg!". It's basically just a paranoiac argument you embrace and not worth the levels of spilled blood that results from it.