Why don't we believe?

[Exrev]

I didn't chose the verse..CH mentioned it. I only expanded it more, from CH's 1/2 verse to 4.

UNCLE! I didn't originally write the verse! I was just responding to your mischaracterization of it.

Too bad you don't follow your own interpretation. Guess you have a lot of research to do now. So go and TEST EVERYTHING!!! oh and while your doing that PRAY UNCEASINGLY bahahahah

[Aaron]

Its not a choice. If it is the Christian god we must worship him or we burn. That is not a choice. There can be no love when we have a greater power demanding that we worship him. Its a demand and we are his slave. If the Christian god exists, you have no choice.

God has the right to create beings with the ability to make their own choices, does he not? If he has this right, then it seems quite obvious to me that he also has the right to create rules and boundaries for these beings so that they do not run about like sick thugs breathing destruction on the rest of creation. There is nothing wrong or unjust about this. As Christianity goes God has indeed created beings in this manner and we have indeed done wrong. The choice was lost a long time ago, we're slaves to sin according to Christianity, we can't escape the depravity of our own hearts. What God has done is given us the opportunity for new life by giving up his own. The way I see it there has never been and will never be a greater love than this. The way I see it this is the ultimate catalyst for love, a situation in which we have nothing else but Jesus himself to thank for our life. Our prideful hearts have no place in this relationship, its pure love, thankfulness, humility and gratitude and all by the grace of God himself.

Perhaps you would have been better off saying if sin exists in your life, you have no choice.

[Dr Mundo]

God has the right to create beings with the ability to make their own choices, does he not? If he has this right, then it seems quite obvious to me that he also has the right to create rules and boundaries for these beings so that they do not run about like sick thugs breathing destruction on the rest of creation.

Rules and boundaries are one thing. But Don't for a second think that we are just going to say that the punishment for breaking his rules is at all Just.

There is nothing wrong or unjust about this. As Christianity goes God has indeed created beings in this manner and we have indeed done wrong.

You or I didn't do any wrong. It was Adam and Eve who did the "wrong". Why should we be to blame for their actions.

The choice was lost a long time ago, we're slaves to sin according to Christianity, we can't escape the depravity of our own hearts.

Wasn't that a cruse put on us by God for breaking his rules? Did he not Make us this way? He creates us then punishes us for how we are.

What God has done is given us the opportunity for new life by giving up his own.

He gave up his life? Who honestly buys this... He pretended to die for three days. How did he give up his life, and he is still around today. Wasn't it his sons life anyways?

The way I see it there has never been and will never be a greater love than this.

Get married and have kids, then you will see there is.

The way I see it this is the ultimate catalyst for love, a situation in which we have nothing else but Jesus himself to thank for our life.

That is more slavery and dependence than love...

Our prideful hearts have no place in this relationship,

Says who?

its pure love, thankfulness, humility and gratitude and all by the grace of God himself.

So it has nothing to do with your capacity for Any noble trait then? its only through God you can accomplish any of that? Why do you think its like that for you but not for me? I can experience all those things quite well in fact, with out any God required.

Perhaps you would have been better off saying if sin exists in your life, you have no choice.

Sin is such a muddled word for me also. Obviously i don't believe in sin, but its a word I need someone to go into detail with me on why they feel it would be appropriate to use.

[Exrev]

Its not a choice. If it is the Christian god we must worship him or we burn. That is not a choice. There can be no love when we have a greater power demanding that we worship him. Its a demand and we are his slave. If the Christian god exists, you have no choice.

God has the right to create beings with the ability to make their own choices, does he not? If he has this right, then it seems quite obvious to me that he also has the right to create rules and boundaries for these beings so that they do not run about like sick thugs breathing destruction on the rest of creation. There is nothing wrong or unjust about this. As Christianity goes God has indeed created beings in this manner and we have indeed done wrong. The choice was lost a long time ago, we're slaves to sin according to Christianity, we can't escape the depravity of our own hearts. What God has done is given us the opportunity for new life by giving up his own. The way I see it there has never been and will never be a greater love than this. The way I see it this is the ultimate catalyst for love, a situation in which we have nothing else but Jesus himself to thank for our life. Our prideful hearts have no place in this relationship, its pure love, thankfulness, humility and gratitude and all by the grace of God himself.

Perhaps you would have been better off saying if sin exists in your life, you have no choice.

Hey Arron,

I think you missed the point. Its not a choice or love when as a God threatens you with eternal punishment. Your God is more like the God-Father than a father. How do you define rape vs. making love. Rape is involuntary because either a threat of harm or death has been made- if they don't comply. With the implication that if one does not worship, love and obey; one will then find themselves in hell...this is not a true choice. There is nothing pure about this at all, and god doesn't deserve any thanks as we never asked him to make us in the first place. How can it be pure when there has be a threat! Seems like the only relationship is an over-bearing God that tells you what is wrong with you constantly,; no one ever meets his standards (all have sinned and fallend short of the glory of god) well here is an interesting video that questions if this god-relationship is really that lovin

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