Exrev wrote:Why is someone who claims that Jesus Christ rose from the dead and that God of the Jew is the one true god really care about the philosophy of ultimate truth when in fact they already claim absolute knowledge of God and Jesus Christ?
I do not understand. Why would knowing one truth mean that one is not interested in other truths?
I do not undestand what "absolute knowledge" means either.
humanguy wrote:Why would someone who knows that Christ rose from the dead to remove their sins and that the god of the Jews is the one true God care about other philosophies
I do not understand why one would preclude the other. Again why would one thing being true means that other truths are of no value?
humanguy wrote:If you know that something is true then you know it, obviously, and so quite naturally you would dismiss that which you know is not true.
Correct. But why would a knowledge of truth in Christianity cause one to preclude the truth of other things?
humanguy wrote:Why would a Christian care what science or philosophy say?
Why would anyone care what anyone or anything says, except that they can see some truth in the things that are said.
humanguy wrote:Why would he care about politics or how much money he has or what anyone else anywhere is doing or thinking?
Well my care for politics and money is pretty minimal but I don't really see the connection. Politics, money, science, and philosophy are concerned about different things. Life has many facets to it. I most certainly would not be interested in Christianity or any other philosophy that reduced life to a single truth and concern.
humanguy wrote: He's got it made. He knows the system and he's living it.
Huh? I don't believe that Christians "have it made" anymore than anyone else. I certainly do not believe in any Christianity that has been made into a system. That is legalism and I have no interest in that.
humanguy wrote:If I knew, I mean really knew, knew just as sure as I know that I'm sitting here typing this, if I knew precisely what life was about and I knew that it was all going to turn out amazingly great then I'd be in a constant state of ecstasy, I would think.
Really? That sounds pretty bizarre to me. Maybe there are Christians like that, but I am not one of them. Life IS amazingly great. Seems to me that if you know what life is about then you would get on with living and I don't think a state of ecstacy is it. That sounds like a trip on drugs. Life is growth, learning, challenges, love, and service. It has highs and lows because these are the results of success and failure. The failures are essential because that is how we learn, and the sucesses simply prepare you for the next challenge.
humanguy wrote:The point is this: if everything in the Bible is true then Christians have it made. They're there! They've arrived, they've made it, baby!
That is your interpretation of the Bible? More than anything else, what I see in the Bible is criticism and condemnation of the religious people. I don't see that they have it made at all. That is just a bunch of baloney.
I think that the theories of relativity, quantum physics, and evolution are correct and true. They all provide great tools for understanding large sets of data. In that respect those who have mastered these theories have it made when it comes to figuring out certain things. No big deal there. So why the big deal when it comes to finding truth in Christianity?
humanguy wrote:When I was a smoker I knew that smoking was bad for me. I felt lousy, I had a hard time breathing and I coughed and I'd have to go out on the street to smoke and I smelled bad and I felt guilty and stupid. I looked at people who didn't smoke as having it made. Now that I no longer smoke I have absolutely no concern about anything that is related to the smoking of tobacco. I know that not smoking feels amazingly great and so my interest is to leave smoking as far behind me as possible. I don't think about, don't care about it. I've made it, baby!
Right.... And so you have no other challenges in life?
humanguy wrote:Why do Christians who know what life and the universe are all about care what the non-Christian portion of humanity thinks or cares about when they know that we're all absolutely wrong and they're all absolutely right?
The only people I am quite sure are absolutely wrong are those who think that they are absolutely right.