Spectrox War wrote:... Believers are stuck in their own circular argument which is based on the loophole of faith. No amount of evidence or logic will have any effect on the faithful, so brainwashed have they become. They have turned into what their fictitious God wanted them to be - sheep-like sycophants to an idea. It’s about time they grew up and let this absurdist nonsense go. ...
Spectrox War wrote:Mitchell - thank you for a well-written piece. Not so sure I agree with everything you said but I appreciate the effort on your part. The comment about being in a crowd is the cowards way out - being from the US yourself, surely there's not a crowd of atheists there?
Spectrox War wrote:Also I didn't get your comment about expressing your belief in God in the context of Christianity. What does that mean exactly?
Spectrox War wrote:How much of the Bible do you believe?
Spectrox War wrote:Has God expressed herself (!) in any other way to you?
Spectrox War wrote:Cleve wrote: What's the purpose for being stuck in circular arguments?
Have you not seen The Matrix where everyone is stuck in a program?
Spectrox War wrote:That's all religion is to me. A psychological computer virus that sometimes passes from person to person through language and shared experience.
Spectrox War wrote:All of your comments after this could easily work without the word "God".
I will leave defining what God is up to you. I just want to enjoy Him.Spectrox War wrote:Why bother unless you can define what God is properly?
Spectrox War wrote:I notice from your signature that you like Christ. What's the appeal for you?
Spectrox War wrote:Which version of Christ are we talking about - NIV, RSV, King James, Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, etc.?
Spectrox War wrote:Mitchell McKain - OK you are right. I set myself my own word trap there. It was when you said I need to do something to improve my understanding - as if I was in need of help. In terms of having an agenda - do you reaaly think that Christians don't have an agenda - I mean the genuine ones who believe the entire Bible to be the infallible word of God, not the wishy washy ones who "cherry pick" what they want to believe and are basically atheists in denial?
Jordanws - perhaps I still have some anger about what happened to me? Who wouldn't if they found out they had been lied to about my purpose on this planet - unintentional or not, the effect is the same. But I suppose it's given me a valuable insight into how millions of religious people think. I just don't get why many Christians don't question their faith at all just because it feels good. I mean who can seriously believe Biblical-style miracles? I find them ridiculous and totally unbelievable. Maybe they have invested too much into it to let it go?
Anyway, thanks for your replies guys. I'm happy to debate further.
Spectrox War wrote:jordanws wrote: And, for the record, I seriously believe Biblical-style miracles.
Oh right, would that be the folllowing?:
The virgin birth
Turning water (H20)into alcohol (C2H5OH)
Jesus raising others from the dead including himself
Gravity-defying walking on water
Glowing in the dark on a hilltop
Feeding thousands of hungry people with hardly anything more substantial than a KFC Bucket
Withering a fig tree for being out of season (the only story I've ever read in which I feel sorry for a tree - it wasn't the trees fault)
Let us not forget the last great miracle before the crucifiction - the sticking back of the ear
And finally Jesus dying on the cross and long dead holy men rise from their graves and parade around Jerusalem like something out of Shaun of the Dead
Several tall tales that litter the Old Testament including a talking snake and a talking donkey
If you truly believe what amounts to a superstitious collection of old Jewish folk tales then you have my sympathy.
I rest my case.
How long ago was that? What was the reaction of your friends and family whom you left behind in the faith? Did you start waging war across the internet straight away? What is your relationship with the Christians in your life, if any? The reason I ask is that when my own faith crumbled I went through a process of grief, loneliness, then a bit of bitterness, throw in a bit of smug satisfaction ... the whole gamut. I've ended up in a place where I can respect people on both sides even though I disagree wholeheartedly with one of those sides. I don't regret my Christian years - they made me who I am today - although I'm glad to be out of it. And I didn't emerge with anywhere near as much vitriol as you exhibit. So, aside from all the 'Iron Age' and 'Christians are brainwashed' rhetoric, which it looks like we're going to see a lot of, what's your story? Who are you, Spectrox War? Do you have a partner? Kids? How has your life changed for the better - or worse - since leaving your faith? What brings you here with your vaguely Doctor Whoish handle and your menacing avatar? It's easy to swing through with a diatribe - we've heard it all before. Give us something new.Spectrox War wrote: I escaped the brainwashing because I was afflicted with an honest streak and had the courage to continue to ask questions. And when I realised that the answers I was getting from Christians, the Bible and prayer were circular, pat answers I realised I had no rational justification for believing any of it. My faith then crumbled.
Yes, I get whiffs of that accusation too. It comes veiled sometimes, but it's often there. I find it insulting.Spectrox War wrote:...some idiot Christians telling me that I was never saved in the first place because God doesn't give someone a gift and then take it away - the worst kind of lie I can imagine
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