Dr Mundo wrote:Well I wouldn't be content with just accepting something because It makes me feel like its right. I would have to demonstrate that it is more than likely the case. Evidence is of the utmost importance when dealing with these issues for me. I know its not for you, and I don't know of a way to continue on talking about it if we keep the same line of thinking.
I am not asking you to be content with anything. You make your choices and I make mine. But I will observe that life is not a purely objective enterprise where what you want to be the case is irrelevant as it is in the case of scientific inquiry. However much objective observation may be a useful tool, life requires subjective participation. You can of course play the objective observer in whatever you wish, but I find that role best suited to scientific inquiry and that religion is about a very different aspect of life.
Dr Mundo wrote:Can you test either of your hypothesis about God?I reject the idea that God could ever be a valid scientific hypothesis of any kind.
Why do you reject that Idea? prehaps we just have not found a way to do so.. Someone could have easily rejected the fact that we could ever see microscopic organism.
...because I do not believe in a physical god. All that such a methodology could discover or examine would at most be an alien life form. My belief in God and in a spiritual aspect to existence is a belief in an irreducibly subjective aspect of reality.
Dr Mundo wrote:We do punish our children fro seeking to be like us when it is not safe for them to do so.
We don't punish them for seeking to be like us, We punish them for actions they take that can cause direct harm to themselves or others.
We do not punish them for the desire to be like us and neither do I believe in a God that punishes us for the desire to be like Him. But people are always seeking superficial things, like wanting the fame and adulation of some famous person without doing all hard work that this person did to become what he is. Likewise it is when people seek to be like God in such superficial ways, seeking power without responsibility, that we, like the two year old trying to drive a car, are doing something that can only lead to disaster.
Dr Mundo wrote:God Forbids having other Gods before him and punishes you for it. As a parent you don't punish your child for admiring someone else.....
God punishes us for having other gods? Really?!? I don't think so. I think He simply warns us that some things have undesirable consequences. Likewise as parents we do indeed warn our children about the dangers of not only admiring but even talking to the wrong people (does "don't talk to strangers" sound familiar?).
I don't know if I have already, but I suggest you look at the comment section of my blog, where you will see explained a number of so called "chrisitan" ideas of God that I do not believe in.
Dr Mundo wrote:It is no secret. All one does is read the Bible in context. Not only each part in context of the whole but the whole Bible in the context of the world and all the information available in it.
And doing so is the quickest way to de-convert from Christianity.Incorrect, that may indeed have been the result of your application of this methodology but you are wrong to presume that this method can only have one result. It has led me precisely in the opposite direction to find value in Christianity in spite of all the absurdities I was raised to see in it.
I didn't say it was the only way you would come out of it. But I don't know a faster way of deconverting from Christianity than by reading its holy book. Some may get deeper into their Religion, I know that.
Yet I unreservedly reccommend this regardless. For some people de-conversion from the "christianity" they believe in SHOULD be the result.
Dr Mundo wrote:So again How do you Know this is what happened with Adam and Eve? or How do you know anything about Adam and Eve?
Huh? There is a story about them in first chapter of the Bible. Just because you insist on reading and accepting this story literally or not at all does not mean that I have to. I told you I read the Bible in context and ask myself what it means. What you have done is a little different -- taking the meaning that was already given you and simply determining whether you should believe it. I already knew that I wouldn't believe THAT!
Dr Mundo wrote:Well then the word you should use is culture. for the sake of clarity.Yes and I explained that from the beginning. I explained that our humanity has to do with the inheritance of ideas or "memes" via human communication rather than biology or "genes".
No culture is a word for something different. Like the difference in hair and skin color in the different "races" of our species, culture includes a lot of arbitrary variations of mere convention, but humanity is understood to refer to us all and something a bit more essential, but I suppose you could say it is a common denominator of culture and I would even say that in many ways it is our first relgion (of humanity not the species) -- a religion of personhood and other abstracts like goodness, honor, and love -- the religion or way of thinking that made us human.