RELIGION VS SCIENCE - the wrong discussion!

[Keep The Reason]

I don't think you're the type of troll that pops up solely to be inflammatory, but I do think you sometimes have troll-like behavior. Overall, though, you've improved a lot. Mainly, your post was reading like no one had any problem with you, and that's simply not true, and I wanted to put it on record in case some people were thinking of joining but saw some of your posts and thought uh-oh, that kind of post is ok with everyone here, maybe I won't join. (I'm sure people have trouble with my posting style sometimes, too, but I felt like I had to respond to that post for the sake of others).!

I do have problems with how you post, buti don't consider that you engage even in "troll-like" behavior. You are human like the rest of us, and we all have our smarmy moments.

But here's what I think is really a despicable act on your part. Do you have any support for the accusation that "some people might not join because of my posts"? Do you? Because that charge is otherwise bullshit and underhanded. It's floating a charge while consciously creating an escape hatch based on, "well it MIGHT be the case" so you can make the charge and protest how it's not underhanded at the same time. And you're not immune to that any more than me or anyone else is.

Gee, maybe someone read your posts and decided not to join. Or maybe they've read Mitch's posts and decided not to join. It's a "prove they didn't" type of argument, and I resent your casting it my way.

Anyone can look at my posts and see the amount of thought that went into them, and certainly there are some that are a shot in response to a shot taken at me, none of them are indicative of troll like. And for the record, I came in here partly because I liked spongebobs posts and saw your conflict with him as a red flag about YOU,especially since it resulted in him leaving and thus it looked like you were the queen bee that decided who stayed and who didn't here (And no,i know its not the case, but when first here as a noob, thats still what it looked like to me). So, physician, heal the beam in thy own eye, to happily conflate different scriptural references.

[Christoff]

"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions" - Albert Einstein

This quote from Einstein is very applicable to the audience on this forum. Most people here DO possess the ability to discuss differing opinions without becoming antagonistic or verbally abusive. Though sometimes some of us lose our cool.

I, for one, enjoy KTR's posts. A lot. I also enjoy Mitch's posts. I agree with little of what's being said at times, but I DO read through all of it and DO learn a lot from the wide spectrum of thoughts being shared. That's why I'm here.

So. Let's try to keep it intellectually- and emotionally fulfilling, no need to start attacking each other.

[Moonwood the Hare]

Humanguy, careful where you tread. I don't know what your deal is but your comment was sickening. Do you think it takes much judgement to see what's wrong when you lose a friend to suicide?
You've no idea what people go through so I suggest you think about your comment before posting instead of being so naive.

Okay. Which comment are you referring to?

I think he is referring to your utterly crass suggestion that he may be wrong in spite of the fact that he lost a friend to suicide. Do you know what? I've lost friends that way as well, and that includes Christian friends. What I do in response to that is to teach courses on suicide awareness and encourage people to train in suicide intervention. Can I encourage everyone here, Christian, atheist or whatever to do the same.

I'm sorry, but I don't know what you're talking about. Show me where I made this crass suggestion that he may be wrong in spite of the fact that he lost a friend to suicide.

You suggested that he was wrong without even taking into consideration that he may have lost a friend to suicide. What kind of insensitive jerk are you? Actually I was being ironic. Except the bit about suicide intervention training. I meant that.

[humanguy]

Ah yes, I see. Irony is very difficult to express on internet discussion forums.

To be honest, it's so easy to get the gist of what Reason To Follow is saying that I haven't read every word he's posted, so I missed the part about a friend of his committing suicide. Sadly enough, it's not as uncommon as it once was, people taking their own lives, and it really has nothing to do with the case he's trying to make.

[ReasonToFollow]

It has everything to do with it 'alienguy'. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the corrolation between his life and his death. For your information, no I didn't interview him, I instead was his friend for 7 years which pretty much means I KNEW HIM INSIDE OUT.

Anyways, I've had enough of this forum. I found a better one that doesn't resemble the breakfast club. You're always having goes at each other instead of discussing which is annoying. Sorry for my rant, not Christian at all, but hey someone had to say it.

Adios people.

[Keep The Reason]

Enjoy your (permanent) vacation.

[JustJim]

Anyways, I've had enough of this forum. I found a better one that doesn't resemble the breakfast club. You're always having goes at each other instead of discussing which is annoying. Sorry for my rant, not Christian at all, but hey someone had to say it.

You found a forum that lets you get away with all your unsupported, illogical, wild-ass claims without challenging them? Everyone agrees with you? Hmmmm... Is it an all-Christian forum?

It's too bad you think that when people challenge your bad logic, poor reasoning, and total lack of evidence to support your claims, you see that as them "having a go at you." They're "having a go" at what you're claiming as truth and your reasoning, not at you, even if you actually do make it easy for people to want to do that....

Around here, if you claim there are such things as gods and other invisible, undetectable, unobservable, untestable, unmeasurable, non-demonstrable beings all around us all the time, able to see and hear and otherwise perceive things as though they have sensory organs, able to intervene and alter the course of nature, able to "catch you in their arms" when you fall off a cliff, etc., etc., etc., someone is going to challenge you to somehow prove, substantiate, demonstrate, or otherwise validate that your claim is true. If you attempt to do that and fail to do so, or if your logic and/or reasoning is bad, they'll keep calling you on it until you get it right. That's just the way it is. We all learn a lot from that process, I think.

Jim

[Moonwood the Hare]

I, for one, enjoy KTR's posts. A lot. I also enjoy Mitch's posts. I agree with little of what's being said at times, but I DO read through all of it and DO learn a lot from the wide spectrum of thoughts being shared. That's why I'm here.

What about me? I feel left out now! Why don't you enjoy me?

[Keep The Reason]

What about me? I feel left out now! Why don't you enjoy me?

Ah, don't worry, Bunnyman. Heaven for you will be an endless chorus of people reading your posts aloud to you, eternally singing your praises for your elegant words, forever. Forever and ever and ever. Eternally. Without end. Ever.

Infinitely. Perpetually.

Forever.

Of course, this might also be Hell. It's hard to tell, innit?

[humanguy]

It has everything to do with it 'alienguy'. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the corrolation between his life and his death. For your information, no I didn't interview him, I instead was his friend for 7 years which pretty much means I KNEW HIM INSIDE OUT.

Anyways, I've had enough of this forum. I found a better one that doesn't resemble the breakfast club. You're always having goes at each other instead of discussing which is annoying. Sorry for my rant, not Christian at all, but hey someone had to say it.

Adios people.

What's a breakfast club? A sandwich that you eat for breakfast?

[Keep The Reason]

What's a breakfast club? A sandwich that you eat for breakfast?

It's what Fred Flinstone used to collect Pteradactyl eggs and TriceraHam.

[Moonwood the Hare]

What about me? I feel left out now! Why don't you enjoy me?

Ah, don't worry, Bunnyman. Heaven for you will be an endless chorus of people reading your posts aloud to you, eternally singing your praises for your elegant words, forever. Forever and ever and ever. Eternally. Without end. Ever.

Infinitely. Perpetually.

Forever.

Of course, this might also be Hell. It's hard to tell, innit?

Oh, hell definitely. Although I do enjoy using language and am pleased when I can say what I mean elegantly and frustrated when I can't. Did you ever read Philip Dick's 'A Scanner Darkly' There is a bit in that where . . . well it's a long story. I've often wondered whether the desire to post on forums doesn't stem from some interesting pathology.

[humanguy]

I've often wondered whether the desire to post on forums doesn't stem from some interesting pathology.

Do you suppose it could be that a great deal of the things that modern humans do to interact socially with each other stem from a variety of pathologies?

[Moonwood the Hare]

I've often wondered whether the desire to post on forums doesn't stem from some interesting pathology.

Do you suppose it could be that a great deal of the things that modern humans do to interact socially with each other stem from a variety of pathologies?

I don't know. Do you think so?

[humanguy]

I've often wondered whether the desire to post on forums doesn't stem from some interesting pathology.

Do you suppose it could be that a great deal of the things that modern humans do to interact socially with each other stem from a variety of pathologies?

I don't know. Do you think so?

Actually, yes I do, but in this case I'm taking pathology to mean:

"Altered or caused by disease; also : indicative of disease: being such to a degree that is extreme, excessive, or markedly abnormal <a pathological liar> <pathological fear>" (some internet definition site)

I'll put it another way: I'm pretty sure that all civilized humans in the western world are at the very least slightly deranged.

I love that about us.