Moonwood the Hare wrote:Yes I think that's true; there is often a level of emotional involvement that is different with theists. And some of us can be very vulnerable. But I think one answer is to criticise rather than abuse.
Which the Greta speech actually was-- it was an angry critique but it wasn't abuse. No name calling or tantruming.
I have suggested that Greta Christina is rather immature in her thinking (not as a person I wouldn't know about that) but I have not felt a need to call her any names. Now the reaction my criticism called forth from you seemed very emotional and angry; you did seem to feel you were under attack.
Not ME under attack, but the right to be angry at things that are legitimate issues to be angry about dismissed and derided.
Now I don't for one minute think this is because you literally worship Greta Christina and you were careful to say that you did not regard all her views as necessarily correct but there was a sense of you not feeling she was being given the respect she deserved
No, no no. Not the person, the POSITION and the right to be legitimately angry. I took greatest issue with humanguy and Rians dismissive ness, just like Aaron's "translation" tactic is really disrespectful to people (to actively reconfigure what someone's says into something they do not say is odious, low, and lacks integrity. Getting angry at that tactic is LEGITIMATE. Being scolded for being angry at something one has valid reason to be angry at, is heaping more disrespect on disrespect.). The only thing about our exchange that pissed me off was when it looked like you were blowing by a far greater point. But we worked through that easily because you took ownership and I recognized I was over hasty.
I don't expect that sort of operation from Rian, Aaron, or humanguy. They have a clear cut agenda on some things, and there's nothing I can do about it other than exposé it when I see it. And I have no obligation to be friendly about it.
However as soon as he starts trying to do philosophy something just goes wrong.
Perfectly legitimate position to hold, whether I agree with it or not.