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Re: Anti-Christian Sentiment

Postby Moonwood the Hare » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:21 am

Keep The Reason wrote:
Moonwood the Hare wrote:I don't know; it keeps reminding me of the man who asked Martin Luther King, 'Why are you in jail?' and he replied, 'Why are you not in jail?"


Wait. Wouldn't the guy asking him that question have to also be in the jail to ask why MLK was in the jail?

It was a journalist who had gone to visit him in prison. But the story may be apocryphal. Especially as the same words have been attributed to Henry David Thoreau.

No one seems to have answered my question as to what views Francis Collins holds that are alleged to be profoundly ant-scientific. I think that's a very strong claim for one leading scientist to make about another; far more significant than one scientist saying another is angry.
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Re: Anti-Christian Sentiment

Postby Keep The Reason » Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:37 am

Moonwood the Hare wrote:
Keep The Reason wrote:
Moonwood the Hare wrote:I don't know; it keeps reminding me of the man who asked Martin Luther King, 'Why are you in jail?' and he replied, 'Why are you not in jail?"


Wait. Wouldn't the guy asking him that question have to also be in the jail to ask why MLK was in the jail?

It was a journalist who had gone to visit him in prison. But the story may be apocryphal. Especially as the same words have been attributed to Henry David Thoreau.

No one seems to have answered my question as to what views Francis Collins holds that are alleged to be profoundly ant-scientific. I think that's a very strong claim for one leading scientist to make about another; far more significant than one scientist saying another is angry.


Google it. (after reading your response to how Hell was no "necessary connector" and how you managed to absolve theism for both the burning of itches and the Inquisition, I'm sure this Collins thing will be a minor crumpet for you to gloss away).
To cut some folks off at the pass, I don't advocate for violence, oppression, genocide, war, hatred or intolerance. Instead, I advocate for education, organization, activism, and the democratic process. ~~ KtR
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Re: Anti-Christian Sentiment

Postby gary_s » Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:56 am

Moonwood the Hare wrote:It was a journalist who had gone to visit him in prison. But the story may be apocryphal. Especially as the same words have been attributed to Henry David Thoreau.

No one seems to have answered my question as to what views Francis Collins holds that are alleged to be profoundly ant-scientific. I think that's a very strong claim for one leading scientist to make about another; far more significant than one scientist saying another is angry.


Moon, here are some links to three different articles discussing the issue of Dr. Collins's beliefs and whether or not they conflict with this scientific integrity. They are just too long to summarize.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/27/opini ... ef=opinion
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... -religion/
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ind ... s-collins/
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Re: Anti-Christian Sentiment

Postby Moonwood the Hare » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:38 pm

gary_s wrote:
Moonwood the Hare wrote:It was a journalist who had gone to visit him in prison. But the story may be apocryphal. Especially as the same words have been attributed to Henry David Thoreau.

No one seems to have answered my question as to what views Francis Collins holds that are alleged to be profoundly ant-scientific. I think that's a very strong claim for one leading scientist to make about another; far more significant than one scientist saying another is angry.


Moon, here are some links to three different articles discussing the issue of Dr. Collins's beliefs and whether or not they conflict with this scientific integrity. They are just too long to summarize.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/27/opini ... ef=opinion
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... -religion/
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ind ... s-collins/

I meant to get back to these but other things took over and so much time has gone by it is hard to pick up. There was a certain element of Socratic irony going on here; I was not completely ignorant but was rather hoping Keep the Reason would explain the issues from his perspective and in his own word. The stuff in the third article was completely new to me and I found it fascinating because here the charge was no so much heresy as associating with known heretics. plus ça change . . .
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