Habitual Religion (aka The Habit of Religion)

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Re: Habitual Religion (aka The Habit of Religion)

Postby Keep The Reason » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:44 am

Frankly the vision of hell as the mafia god's torture chamber where he will punish those who refuse to lobotomize themselves to accept the absurd dogmas of legalized "christianity" just sounds silly to me. What I find far more apalling and worthy of fear is the degradation of character that I see implied by my own bad habits. You see while the legalists are preaching salvation from their own mafia boss God, I think that the Christianity of Jesus and the apostle Paul is preaching salvation from our real worst enemy which is not God but ourselves.


Wouldn't it be grerat if there were a lot more Christians selling this POV? It would not make it any more right, but the hellfire and damnation brigade would lessen in number.
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Re: Habitual Religion (aka The Habit of Religion)

Postby Tim-the-Hermit » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:25 am

Keep The Reason wrote:Wouldn't it be grerat if there were a lot more Christians selling this POV? It would not make it any more right, but the hellfire and damnation brigade would lessen in number.


I have a theory about some of these hell-fire preachers. If you are both reasonably clever and a bully you are in a dilemma because you will recognise that bullying is not acceptable and that most people see this. Because bullies enjoy inflicting pain on others, they might try to get around this ‘problem’ by using religion as a vehicle for their bullying. They exempt themselves from responsibility for their behaviour by saying things like ‘it’s true because that is what the bible says’ and ‘it’s not me who is revealing these truths about hell, but god.’ They get to be bad guys while falsely believing they are a good guys.

These preachers often seem to be really enjoying themselves and my theory could explain why. Another bad habit.

I think it could also be fairly argued that such persons defame the character of the very god they claim to worship.
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Re: Habitual Religion (aka The Habit of Religion)

Postby Keep The Reason » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:32 am

Tim-the-Hermit wrote:
Keep The Reason wrote:Wouldn't it be grerat if there were a lot more Christians selling this POV? It would not make it any more right, but the hellfire and damnation brigade would lessen in number.


I have a theory about some of these hell-fire preachers. If you are both reasonably clever and a bully you are in a dilemma because you will recognise that bullying is not acceptable and that most people see this. Because bullies enjoy inflicting pain on others, they might try to get around this ‘problem’ by using religion as a vehicle for their bullying. They exempt themselves from responsibility for their behaviour by saying things like ‘it’s true because that is what the bible says’ and ‘it’s not me who is revealing these truths about hell, but god.’ They get to be bad guys while falsely believing they are a good guys.

These preachers often seem to be really enjoying themselves and my theory could explain why. Another bad habit.

I think it could also be fairly argued that such persons defame the character of the very god they claim to worship.


Well, this is a sort of longer version of, "It's not the ideology that's bad, it's people who corrupt it that are bad". Certainly there are bad and corrupt people, but you have ideologies that repel sch thinking or excuses for bad behavior, and then you have ideologies that promote it.

Christianity happens to do both, which is probably why it is the biggest gun religion historically. You could argue the case for forcing conversion (out of "love" for the disposition of the pagans immortal soul) or you could temper your dealings with people with kindness. Judaism doesn't prosyletize; instead it's the "We're the chosen people" dynamic and they see it more like keeping people out, rather than trying to convert them in, and Islam speaks of forced conversion on almost every fifth page n the Quran. I consider Islam easily to be the worst of the Abrahamic religions and frankly see it clashing with Christianity in some huge conflagration in the next few decades.

I don't think you can defame the character of god as he's written n the bible any more than he already is, being the immoral, or perhaps amoral, monster he behaves like in the stories. He drowns the worlds population in the first half of the book, and burns it to a cinder in the second half. He's a HORRBLE role model, and yes, a massve bully, so I'm not surprised bullies are drawn to his example. But hell, this doesn't excuse the ideology being as bad as it is.

Bad habits are promulgated by bad ideologies. In my view, responsible people judge both appropriately, and reject both in the same manner, without offering apologetics to allow the bad ideology to stand unchallenged.
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Re: Habitual Religion (aka The Habit of Religion)

Postby StillSearching » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:42 am

Keep The Reason wrote:Bad habits are promulgated by bad ideologies. In my view, responsible people judge both appropriately, and reject both in the same manner, without offering apologetics to allow the bad ideology to stand unchallenged.


Life must be so boring in your world of black and white. Of course, it's not possible that bad habits might be promulgated by good ideologies, nor good habits from bad ideologies.
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Re: Habitual Religion (aka The Habit of Religion)

Postby Keep The Reason » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:15 pm

StillSearching wrote:Life must be so boring in your world of black and white. Of course, it's not possible that bad habits might be promulgated by good ideologies, nor good habits from bad ideologies.


Where did I say that?

Oh wait. I didn't.

So, since you've brought it up, I don't proffer "perfect worlds". Can bad habits be promulgated by good ideologies? Well, I suppose you'll say Christianity is a good ideology that has promulgated some bad habits. I'd disagree, because I see Chrisitnaity overall as being a BAD IDEOLOGY at its core (it argues more for a concern about a life beyond the grave, worship of invisible beings, guilt for inherited "sin", and the idea that a blood sacrifice is a "loving gift"). Now are there some good in Christian ideology? Sure. Notrhing particularly original, but things like "treat your neighbors well" and the like. But the bad far, far outweighs the good, because the god is a demented murderer, and there's blood sacrifices, and slavery, and murder, Hellfire and damnation, rape... etc. etc. etc. All happily endorsed by the monster itself.

Can good habits come from bad ideologies? This one is easier because bad ideologies can create life lessons and we can learn to not adopt those habits, so in that case sure.

But overwhlemingly, bad ideologies foster bad habits. That's why they are "bad".

Other than noting I saw it, I'll leave your personal snide remark go.
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