Aaron wrote:I am often puzzled by these comments you frequently make about theists wanting loopholes or being squishy or inconsistent, or just cherry picking what they like and bending over backwards to make it fit. I want to do the exact opposite of those things. I don't want to be like that at all.
The reason it seems like this to you is because theists will go to any lengths to have their gods. And they will not apply the same standards for analysis they do for anything else towards these god beliefs. You make this statement how you don't want to be the way I'm asserting you are, but we both know you buy into god without ever actually seeing him, without direct contact with him (like, you each converse with one another, in direct audible ways), and based on an old book and a tradition. You would not likely buy a car on such flimsy pretexts, sight unseen, but for eternal questions, you have a completely different and open-ended criteria.
So, lets look at your next statement to illustrate this:
You took a story about God from the Bible and stated it how you saw it. I explained two ways in which I felt you oversimplified and therefore ended up with an incomplete contextual framework upon which a fair moral judgement could be made. I didn't claim that once you considered those two things you'd have no choice but to see God as good and right, you might still see him as a monster, it's your choice. But what I was trying to do was point out how I thought you made your judgment without including all of the relevant particulars. Can a person ever be evil enough to where it would be good for God to remove them from the rest of humanity? Is there not any way in which God being God has different moral parameters to operate in than humans do?
Let's turn this around on you. What particulars are you
leaving out? Given that god drowns the entire world
, is EVERYONE deserving of drowning? Everyone?
Babies? Toddlers? First graders? People in far flung parts of te world who never heard of Yahweh?
How are you going to answer this? What particulars deflect the drowning of a 4-month old baby? Well, the only three excuses I've heard is this:
A. No matter what god does, it's good. He owns us.
B. god saw those babies woud grow up evil anyway so it's good.
C. I don't know (this last one is most honst, and least used)
Just the idea that this genocide exists in the bible should give you real pause, and propel you to question the entire model. At best, it gets shrugged off as "a spiritual tale" or "metaphor" but the deeper issue is ignored. Yahweh is an asshole. You'd consider him a maniac if he were to be flesh and blood, and worshiping him would be considered an egregious act of immorality.
C.S. Lewis once wrote something that the people who dislike prideful people the most are probably very prideful themselves. I am wondering if perhaps the same principle applies here in your constant accusation that theists are all of those things I mentioned above?
No. I'm human like anyone else and have my prideful moments, but few theists simply admit god is an asshole and a monster, even though his bloodthirsty history clearly shows he is. I just don't have a problem calling you folks out on it.