I hope I can present my examples respectfully...
koin4life wrote:I am not sure about the fig tree, but I would imagine it would be an analogy. Other then that, can you provide instances of what you were referring to in these cases?In the Holy Bible, it teaches how to enslave other races, make women subservient to men,
The Bible is full of references to slavery. God tells the people of Israel to take others as slaves, gives them rules for how to treat slaves. For a small sample:
And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant....
And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman be sold unto thee....
But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself.
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.
1 Peter 2:18
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
God also seems to have no problem with killing innocent people. As if the story of the Flood isn't enough...
In Deuteronomy and Joshua especially, God tells his people to "utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain" Deut. 2:34
Judges 21:11 And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man.
21:12 And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.
Joshua 10:40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded.
So God told everyone to kill everyone who lived in a city that his people were supposed to occupy, except maybe the young girls, who would be turned into sexual slaves?Is this good for teaching kindness, caring, tolerance? Sounds more like the justification for war used by the leaders of a nomadic tribe who wanted to settle down...
Also, God seems to regularly lose his temper with those who are supposed to be his own, and he takes it out on them in the most horrifying ways, ie Exodus 22:24 And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless. Is this a good example?
I was talking to some friends last week about women being subservient to men, and I think the Bible teaches women to honor and respect men, but in the same way the men should honor their wives. In the early part of Genesis, when Adam and Eve sin, it states in Gen 3:16 that "woman's desire will be for her husband, and he will rule over you." I believe that in the original translation, the for was actually replaced with the word against, so it would be woman's desire to be against her husband. This seems pretty accurate today, because women are not willing to be subservient. That being said, I think there is nothing nobler than a woman that is willing to submit herself to her husband. Not because it gives the husband the power, but rather because the woman is putting her trust and faith in her husband's decisions.
One question..why should I put faith in 'his ' decisions? Marriage should be a partnership...we should make decisions, especially important ones, together. I'm not his child, he's not the Grand Poobah.
From Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. " to
1 Peter 3:1 "Wives, be in subjection to your own husbands." women are treated as possessions who have worth slightly above animals.
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak.... And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home. "--I Corinthians 14:34-35
"It is good for a man not to touch a woman." I Corinthians7:1
"Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, an do ye to them as is good in your eyes. -- Genesis 19:8, said by Lot, a 'righteous man'...
These examples are a very, very small sample of what's in there.
I have one question, which I've asked quite a few Christians but never had answered...
What does the violence and cruelty of Jehovah of the Old Testament tell us about the character of God?
The usual answer is that it's not the God of the OT that matters, but Jesus in the New. But iof they're the same being, then it matters very much.
Not that Jesus was totally peaceful: he talked more about Hell than anyone else in the Bible. And Hell is about as violent and cruel as one can get.