whoosanightowl wrote:Transubstantiation is, as you may already know, the belief of the Catholic church that the elements of communion, normally wafers and wine, are supernaturally transformed into the actual presence of Jesus' body and blood through prayers and rituals performed by the priest. The claim for this miracle stems from the last supper when Jesus blessed the bread and wine, then said it was his own body and blood (rather than just a symbolic gesture), and instructed his disciples to do the same in his memory.
Of course there is no evidence than anything miraculous really takes place except in the minds of those who believe, just as there is no evidence of salvation except in the minds of those who believe in that experience.
But that a pope or a bishop anoints, confers tonsures; ordains, consecrates, or prescribes dress unlike that of the laity, this may make hypocrites and graven images, but it never makes a Christian or "spiritual" man. Through baptism all of us are consecrated to the priesthood, as St. Peter says in I Peter 2:9, "Ye are a royal priesthood, a priestly kingdom," and the book of Revelation says, Rev. 5:10 "Thou hast made us by Thy blood to be priests and kings." For if we had no higher consecration than pope or bishop gives, the consecration by pope or bishop would never make a priest, nor might anyone either say mass or preach a sermon or give absolution. Therefore when the bishop consecrates it is the same thing as if he, in the place and stead of the whole congregation, all of whom have like power, were to take one out of their number and charge him to use this power for the others; just as though ten brothers, all king's sons and equal heirs, were to choose one of themselves to rule the inheritance for them all, -- they would all be kings and equal in power, though one of them would be charged with the duty of ruling.
Currently, only 5% of adults have a biblical worldview.
The percentage varies among faith groups. About half of all evangelicals have such a perspective. Overall, 8% of Protestants possess that view, compared to less than one-half of one percent of Catholics.
Phileo wrote:I am not personally attacking anyone's faith, or questioning their position or standing as a Christian.
Phileo wrote:I appreciate the opportunity to post this, and please have at it.
I am concerned with knowing and understanding the truth, so that we can have an honest discussion about what truth is, and where I think we should stand on such, with regards to Christianity, and belief in Jesus Christ, who is the one true God, and the only way to heaven and salvation, through faith alone.
First, let me say that there is a reason that the Catholic church identifies itself as the "Catholic faith", versus saying that they are a Christian faith, which most, if not all Protestant denominations (or non-denominational churches) identify themselves as.
I would caution you by saying that I do not identify the Catholic church as a cult of Christianity either, but this particular chart is telling, to say the least. And yes, I believe the folks at CARM do an excellent job or presenting the evidence intellectually and letting you decide for yourself what truth is.
...All believers in Christ have the ability, through the Holy Spirit to pray over and have authority over evil spirits...It is pure invention that pope, bishops, priests and monks are to be called the "spiritual estate"; princes, lords, artisans, and farmers the "temporal estate." That is indeed a fine bit of lying and hypocrisy.
And for arguments sake, I consider the Holy Bible, as defined as the 66 books used by the Protestant church, as the only source of truth, with regards to God and Jesus Christ. Any outside source, is simply open to scrutiny and human error. But scripture has been verified and tested over many hundreds of years by thousands of scholars and sources, and has yet to be proven untrue.
I beg to differ, but all scripture has not been verified, neither has it been proven true. And it is also open to scrutiny and human error. Plus, the Catholic church recognizes several additional books as revealed holy scripture which are also considered sources of truth with regards to God and Jesus Christ.
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