ChristLivesWithinMe wrote:i agree fully. i know a few people (agnostics or people who are not firm with a faith yet) who turn away and look down upon Christianity because they see the people who claim it, not acting or living very good lifestyles. Jesus is not just a get out of sin free card and shouldn't be used as such. this is of course looking at the situation from a christian standpoint. i dunno how people who don't believe in god in the first place look upon hypocrites or if it is a stumbling block to them. could just be used as ammo possibly?
I had the good fortune to be raised without any kind of faith or supernatural tradition. From my perspective, I don't see a lot of practical differences in the daily lives of religious and non-religious people. There are liars and cheats who profess deep Christian faith, and plenty of honest and generous non-believers. There are kind and considerate believers, and selfish and cruel atheists. Character and behavior are not strongly influenced by religious belief in my experience.
I suppose if a person knows they are behaving in a very anti-social manner, they might either say "Jesus will forgive me" or "There is no God so nothing matters". It is simply human nature to attempt to justify our actions, and we're very good at it, religious or not.
Sorry for posting in the Christian area, I just wanted to say that for me the only barrier to belief is evidence. I could easily imagine myself a liberal-leaning Christian, from a social point of view. I certainly have fondness for most of the Christians I know. I don't think the occassional hypocrite is much of a barrier to belief for most agnostic/atheists.
mikedsjr wrote:Would you say the greatest problem with Christian leadership today is Heretics all over the place or preaching without living the preaching or a whole lot of both?
Despite the fact that atheist and skeptics want to blame the message by its messengers, I know the message isn't the problem. There is also plenty of preachers living their biblically sound preaching too. I just see that the loudest voices are the ones not doing the walking.
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.
StillSearching wrote:Christianity needs MORE heretics and LESS hypocrites, without a doubt. And I'm sorry to disagree with you, but sometimes it is the message.
Pseudonym wrote:StillSearching wrote:Christianity needs MORE heretics and LESS hypocrites, without a doubt. And I'm sorry to disagree with you, but sometimes it is the message.
Something interesting on that topic. It's an intriguing idea that if you agree that Christian orthodoxy is a constant work in progress, then heresy is a key part of the process of understanding. Without heresy, there would be no progress.
mikedsjr wrote:The Trinity isn't a work in progress.
mikedsjr wrote:The Lord's supper isn't a work in progress.
mikedsjr wrote:Christ death and resurrection isn't a work in progress.
mikedsjr wrote:God isn't a work in progress.
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