Problems of homosexuality

[Mr. Sluagh]

I just want to mention, as a response to Aaron's roommate issue among other things, that my fraternity has always had at least one gay guy during the two years since I pledged, and that it has never, ever caused a problem. They've lived in the house, had straight roommates, exchanged joking innuendos, made out with their boyfriends at parties, and no shit has gone down as a result. A couple of them have even been elected chapter president (one two years ago and one this year). This is pure coincidence; we've just gotten a couple of extremely motivated, responsible and organized guys who happened to be gay. My chapter apparently used to be known around campus as "the pink house" between the 70s and 90s, but now the homosexuals aren't ghettoized any more and I think at least three of our five frats have at least one (without any sort of affirmative action). There are enough Christians in my chapter to keep the Bible in our rituals (though no anti-gay ones) and it still hasn't caused any issues. There really isn't anything to worry about.

(There is nevertheless controversy in my chapter over the pledging of FtM transsexuals due to fear of retribution from the grand chapter and the feelings of many brothers, which pisses me off.)

[Rian]

I see many people exercising their rights to free speech.

Then you are obviously willfully blind on this subject, which I've seen happen with you before. Strong men were shoving up against and jostling an elderly lady, and they tore her cross from her hands and stomped on it. Hardly merely "free speech"!

It appears she intruded upon an protest rally with a counter opinion.

"Intruded" upon a rally? What, is only one opinion allowed at a rally in a public place?

If I walked into your church and start railing against the pastor's message, I imagine I would be shouted down, too.

You would probably be politely escorted out, as is right, and if I walked into a pro-gay meeting similar to a church meeting and started railing against the speaker's message, I should hope I'd be escorted out, too. And it wasn't merely "shouted down" - it was an elderly lady being treated very roughly by large men, and her property being ripped out of her hands and stomped on.

[darkumbra]

You would probably be politely escorted out, as is right, and if I walked into a pro-gay meeting similar to a church meeting and started railing against the speaker's message, I should hope I'd be escorted out, too. And it wasn't merely "shouted down" - it was an elderly lady being treated very roughly by large men, and her property being ripped out of her hands and stomped on.

'Politely escorted out' --- what a canard

You CANNOT 'politely escort out' someone who does not want to leave - at best you can 'forcibly eject' them.

But Rian will hypocritically insist... Christians 'politely escort out' and everyone else 'forcibly ejects'

[NH Baritone]

You would probably be politely escorted out, as is right, and if I walked into a pro-gay meeting similar to a church meeting and started railing against the speaker's message, I should hope I'd be escorted out, too. And it wasn't merely "shouted down" - it was an elderly lady being treated very roughly by large men, and her property being ripped out of her hands and stomped on.

'Politely escorted out' --- what a canard

You CANNOT 'politely escort out' someone who does not want to leave - at best you can 'forcibly eject' them.

But Rian will hypocritically insist... Christians 'politely escort out' and everyone else 'forcibly ejects'

Men sweat
Women perspire
Ladies "glow"

[dunc289]

Dear Rian and NHB,

She was a sanctimonious old bag and they were big fat bullies.

Neither was a good advert for their cause, both deserved censure.

lots of love

dunc

[Aaron]

But Rian will hypocritically insist... Christians 'politely escort out' and everyone else 'forcibly ejects'

I doubt she would say that at all. I think perhaps you've been a bit of a hypocrite yourself with this statement.

[darkumbra]

But Rian will hypocritically insist... Christians 'politely escort out' and everyone else 'forcibly ejects'

I doubt she would say that at all. I think perhaps you've been a bit of a hypocrite yourself with this statement.

I don't think the word 'hypocrite' means what you think it means. A dictionary is a useful tool.

My post could more properly be described as presumptuous, snarky, rude, curmudgeonly, aggressive, oh?... and accurate etc. etc. but not as 'hypocritical'

Remember... accuracy and preciseness in language is a good thing!

[Rian]

But Rian will hypocritically insist... Christians 'politely escort out' and everyone else 'forcibly ejects'

I doubt she would say that at all.

You're quite right - I would NOT say that. But DU likes to put words in my mouth that I wouldn't say, and are convenient for him and his beliefs. That's why I finally put him on "ignore" - he did this over and over, and it was just really unnecessarily unpleasant for both myself and the board, and I don't like to enable him in this behavior.

I'll address the bit of his writing that I could see, since you quoted it, and show that once again, he's wrong.

Of course Christians could certainly forcibly eject someone, and of course gay rights activists (to stay with the groups in the example) could politely escort someone out. What I consider politely escorting someone out of a meeting, after verbal persuasion did not work, would be to gently, but firmly and respectfully, physically compel them to leave the room (as opposed to getting in their face and shouting and jostling them, especially when the shouting and jostling is done by big burly men against an elderly lady, and tearing their personal property out of their hands and stomping on it).

I don't know what else he said, but that example is sufficient for me to continue keeping him on ignore. If and when the quality of his posts improves (from what I can see that is quoted by others), then I'll take him off ignore.

[darkumbra]

But Rian will hypocritically insist... Christians 'politely escort out' and everyone else 'forcibly ejects'

I doubt she would say that at all.

You're quite right - I would NOT say that. But DU likes to put words in my mouth that I wouldn't say, and are convenient for him and his beliefs. That's why I finally put him on "ignore" - he did this over and over, and it was just really unnecessarily unpleasant for both myself and the board, and I don't like to enable him in this behavior.

I'll address the bit of his writing that I could see, since you quoted it, and show that once again, he's wrong.

Of course Christians could certainly forcibly eject someone, and of course gay rights activists (to stay with the groups in the example) could politely escort someone out. What I consider politely escorting someone out of a meeting, after verbal persuasion did not work, would be to gently, but firmly and respectfully, physically compel them to leave the room (as opposed to getting in their face and shouting and jostling them, especially when the shouting and jostling is done by big burly men against an elderly lady, and tearing their personal property out of their hands and stomping on it).

I don't know what else he said, but that example is sufficient for me to continue keeping him on ignore. If and when the quality of his posts improves (from what I can see that is quoted by others), then I'll take him off ignore.

I rest my case... "physically compel'' in her view is 'politely escort'

My point was, and remains, you CANNOT 'politely escort' someone out of a room that does NOT want to leave. You must 'forcibly eject' them - you have no other choice.

This is why police have guns and tasers.