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Postby Slim » Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:04 pm

koin4life wrote:That was my point in saying that God is beyond a timeline, thus his existence has been eternal.

Yes, but my point is that there's no reason at all to suppose that your "God" exists, and you certainly haven't suggested one in this thread.

Doesn't the idea of the big bang not having a cause go against everything that is scientific? Everything must have an equal and opposite reaction?


It doesn't, no. We can't say that the same physical laws applied for the Big Bang that we are familiar with now.

Also, in regards to your last statement, isn't it faith to say that because you have no answers, that God would be invented as opposed to real?

Firstly, I don't say that "God" is an invented idea because I have no answers. "God" was invented partly because humanity in general has no answers, but it's a false answer, one with no sensible reason to suppose true. But secondly, faith doesn't come into it at all on my part. My conclusion is reached by reason and intelligent thought.

You have faith that God is a figment of imagination, just as Christians have faith that God is real.

That's not correct at all; I don't allow faith to cloud my thinking in these matters.
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Postby Slim » Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:14 pm

eltraen wrote:How can you say that you don't know how or why the Big Bang occurred but you are able to say how it didn't occur?

Well, the idea that it was created by an intelligent being has no credible evidence in its support whatsoever. Therefore, as I pointed out elsewhere, it's safe to assume that it wasn't. Of course, I can't be absolutely, 100% certain that it wasn't created by a supreme being, but then I can't be absolutely, 100% certain of anything at all. I can't be absolutely certain that my garden isn't regularly visited by invisible gnomes; I certainly can't prove that it isn't. It's every bit as likely as the idea that there's a "God".
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Postby koin4life » Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:22 pm

Yes, but my point is that there's no reason at all to suppose that your "God" exists, and you certainly haven't suggested one in this thread.


The arguement could be made that because the earth and humans exist, that is a reason to suggest God exists. Of course we probably won't be able to agree on this, so you can probably just skip this part.

My conclusion is reached by reason and intelligent thought.

You're reasoned and intelligent thought wouldn't be so intelligent if it turns out to be wrong. So your reasoning, as well as everyone elses, depends on the actual truth. Your faith is that your version of the truth is correct and mine is not.
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