Samwise wrote:Hi All, I'm wondering, does anyone who believes homosexuality is normal consider incest normal as well? For example: having sex with your mother.
I'm still on the fence on homosexuality matter btw...
Normal? What does this mean? In the other thread Jim argues that abstaining from sexual activity isn't normal. His reasoning seems to be that the vast majority do not do this. Doesn't an application of this same argument say that homosexuality is not normal either? This is why I suggested coining the term "sexual bigotry" for attitudes about what sort of sex life is to be considered "normal". Another argument for "normality" might be based on biological function, but the conclusions are identical for sexual absinence does not fulfill the proper biological function any more than homosexuality. Of course there are serious flaws in both of these arguments.
A statistical observation is inadequate because it is not only the current statistical status quo that is important but questions about what should be the case - what we want to be the case or what would be the ideal for the well being of the individual or humanity as a whole. Thus the statistical norms of times past where people kept slaves and treated women as property are things that have been rejected for good reason by modern humanity.
I would argue the reasoning from biological function is inadequate because that is not where our humanity lies, and that we are way past being dominated by biological imperatives and instincts. The far greater guidance for human action in modern humans are the needs of the mind, such as for love, entertainment, creative expression and the all the needs of the human community. I ask you to take notice that when I say love I am not speaking of something that can be reduced to biological function where homosexuality would have no place.
The free secular society operates on a different standard than these. The question we must ask in regards to any activity is whether we can scientifically prove that this activity is harmful? I believe that the answer in the case of homosexuality is no, but that the answer for most types of incest is yes - it is biologically, psychologically and sociologically harmful.
As for the title question of this thread? I do not know. However the Bible does seem to speak against homosexuality. The Bible seems to consider this to be a sin, but then so are many many other things that human beings do all the time -- and so I see no reason to single out homosexuals. Personally when it is put in such terms of sexual preference, contrasting homosexuality versus heterosexuality, as if it were a matter of what flavor of ice cream you prefer, then I really don't see much difference personally. If it is a matter of love, however, well then that is somewhat different. It seems to me that love for someone of the opposite sex would be preferable for many reasons, but then we can say the same thing about a great many economic, religious and social considerations too but the fact is that love quite often pays no attention to these either.