JustJim wrote:We sorely miss the likes of spongebob, Atheist37, darkumbra, OzAnt, and several other atheists to fully represent their closely related, but slightly differing, positions.
Today I read, or attempted to read, two threads about the basic beliefs of Rian and Wonders. I, too, was really impressed by the remarks of spongebob, darkumbra, and OzAnt, and I think I've seen some good ones by Atheist37, too.
become of those folk? Does anyone know? Do they post at all anymore?
JustJim wrote:On the Christian side, there are so many conflicting, contradictory, sometimes opposite points of view, it's impossible to discern what Christians actually believe - let alone why, based on what reasons or evidence, etc. - or even what makes one a Christian! ... I don't know how you can possibly sort out that mess. And, of course, EVERY Christian poster is convinced his/her interpretation of the Bible is either the only correct one, or at least is the very best one - even though they're all using the same Bible - and they don't see any problem with that!
Yes, the same two threads I just mentioned made me sigh heavily, too, Jim. It really makes me wonder if any increase in understanding is really possible in a setting like this. There is so much smoke and mirrors, and I have to say in some cases an apparent lack of adequate education and worldly knowledge coupled with certainty ( that, too, is denied), that it seems as though rather than sharing perspective and learning from each other we're more often like pool balls just bouncing off each other on a table and spinning back toward our fellow solids or stripes.
At the same time, for my part I am
getting some new knowledge of the kinds of smoke and mirrors that are possible here, which I think may be of use in my future endeavors and writings.
And with regard to SS and Pseudo, if I can ever figure out whether there might be any substance to their views - so far quite nebulous - maybe there's something of value there, or at least something really different to take into account. What do you make of them?
JustJim wrote:And there also seems to be a recent tendency of some to (often sarcastically) demean and ridicule the posts, imagined intentions, and even personalities of those they disagree with - defending such tactics as legitimate by claiming that since they're not directly "calling them names", then they're not an ad hominem attacks.
This was part of Jim's paragraph mentioning those slippery fishy folk who all variously call themselves Christians, but I know I've probably been rather strident here, so if any non-Christian
who reads this feels that I fit into Jim's description, I'd appreciate either a public or private reply.
In other forums I've often been the person calling for more civility. It's ironic to me that here I seem to have become the "angry atheist" representative.
JustJim wrote:Then there are also the constant infiltrations by SPAMmers and the likes of Carico and sridatta (formerly dattaswami), which basically go unnoticed by those few who have administrative powers to get rid of them.
If it's any consolation, that sri swami character has shown up in some other forums, too, and it seems always to catch everyone off guard and to take a little while to get shed of him. I get some weird bugs in my basement now and then, too.
Those who know the most of nature believe the least about theology. - Robert Ingersoll