humanguy wrote:skepticgriggsy wrote: Two of my purposes are to take away the stigma of mental illness and to support mental health.
Interesting. Why those two in particular?
skepticgriggsy wrote:David Hume has the claim against miracles as a corollary to this presumption.Again, he isn't arguing in a circle: he is relying on the criteria for knowledge that I adumbrate @ skepticism. When we skeptics investigate faith-healing claims and Vatican-approved miracle claims, we find that they are natural, if not fraudulent. Notice that in the case of the former, healers will have wheel-chairs for people who already can walk! They brush aside the real cases. Then is is a matter of the post hoc fallacy- coincidence. It could be just a temporary matter of just feeling better or just remissions which happen anyway. Should a doctor give a prediction against a cure, that is just a probabiilty, not a certainty, so we require no God to explain matters. Notice that with the progress of knowledge, there are fewer and fewer Vatican-approved miracles! Moter Dearest Teresa will become a saint,because of two required miracles, when ,in fact, the father of a girl in India declares no miracle for her.
So, Haught can bleat other venues of knowledge, but the facts belied him!
Why would God make such miracles as that of Fatima and the pareidolias of Mary and Yeshua? They are so inconsequential and not important like genocide. Why would Yeshua just have cure a few when he could have cured the many?
No Amazing Randi was around to expose his miracles. Just as ever, people misobserve. Sleight of hand played its hand. And other miracle mongers dis as well. Did Jjim Jones or oraal Roberts, those two frauds, ever resurrect anyone as claimed/ The conservatism of knowledge acts against miracles. Hume's dictum is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Godists make the arguments from angst and happiness without any evidence. The former as Augustine puts it is that we are restless unless in His bosom and the latter is that He'd make us far happier, give us that more abundant life. Should one have angst or dread as creationistic theist Dr. Francisco Jose Ayala puts it, she should get therapy as I did.
Ayala alleges that we need Him for our ultimate purpose. Nay, we don't need Him as our transitory lives, human love and our own purposes quite suffice as Dr' Robert Price in " The Reason-Driven Life" and Dr. Albert Ellis in " The Myth of Self-Esteem" reveal.
The presumption of empiricism requires factn not unsupported intuitions and revelations. What are the fact surrounding the alleged miralces.
The presumption of humanism is our covenant morality for humanity, which requires that all receive miracles. See that thread,please.
The presumption of rationalism that requires the use of reason, rejecting faith. Reason moves mountains of ignorance whilst faith rests on the arguments from ignorance and incredulity. And I expatiate on the presumption of skepticism @ the thread and give there criteria for knowledge that one must use to overcome these presumptions!
Science, as Dr. Sydney Hook observes, is acquired knowledge whilst faith begs the question of being knowledge. Faith, the we just say os credulity, begs the question of its subject [ Articulett]. Faith is a replaceable crutch or placebo; reason is ever required. It takes faith to believe in miracles. Se the thread the presumption of rationalism.please.
These presumptions make for that more abundant life that that ever dead miracle monger never really could!
So , we can all have real wonders with these presumptions that miracle mongers never could.
I see real connections amongst arguments for and against Him
Have you observed a real miracle, and how can you verify that?
Do you need that divine crutch to get through life or do you realize that she who helps herself, helps herself without divine input?
Do you think that you need divine approval for your purposes in life?
That teleonomy means a purposeless world does lead to the non-sequitur that thus we have no adequate human purposes. Divinity cannot add value to life! A future state cannot add value to life!
" Life is its own validation and reward and ultimate meaning.'
Two of my purposes are to take away the stigma of mental illness and to support mental health.
skepticgriggsy wrote: Two of my purposes are to take away the stigma of mental illness and to support mental health.
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