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The problem of Heaven- the knock out argument

Postby skepticgriggsy » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:41 pm

Our covenant morality for humanity- the presumption of humanism- requires that we and any other rational being treat humans humanely. So, I hereby indict God for all the evils and if He is Yahweh or Allah for his won evils in particular. To maintain that His ways are above ours, so that He has His reasons for permitting evil mocks reason and -humanity! We don't need to be omniscient to fathom what my four year old grand nephew can see! That putative argument is just the one from ignorance and - then to maintain that faith can overcome the problem is again that argument [ See the thread rationalism or to my latest post to the thread the presumptions of that more abundant life [ the presumption of naturalism].
Dr. Williiam Rowe is ever developing the evidential argument from evil.
The problem of Heaven reveals that certain philosophers of religion notwithstanding, the logical argument of evil runs ever so strongly.
This problem reveals the inconsistency of theism : it projects Heaven as paradise where one has free will but cannot abuse it, but states otherwise for people in the here and now.
What required Him to be inconsistent? Why is it that It is He who matters rather than we?
Evil is the presence of great pain! :smt004
Next time I'll adumbrate this problem. Theodicy is a series of rationalizations to exonerate Him from His insouciance to animal suffering [ Yes, we included.]. Good will and blessings to all!
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Re: The problem of Heaven- the knock out argument

Postby NH Baritone » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:39 am

Griggsy, are you sleeping okay lately?
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Re: The problem of Heaven- the knock out argument

Postby skepticgriggsy » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:18 pm

David Ramsay Steele in ' Atheism Explained: from Folly to Philosophy," notes that if in Heaven free will and a guarantee no to do wrong rules, then it'd be consistent to have us here also with free will and that guarantee. This is no hobgoblin of little minds.
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Re: The problem of Heaven- the knock out argument

Postby skepticgriggsy » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:18 pm

David Ramsay Steele in ' Atheism Explained: from Folly to Philosophy," notes that if in Heaven free will and a guarantee no to do wrong rules, then it'd be consistent to have us here also with free will and that guarantee. This is no hobgoblin of little minds.
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Re: The problem of Heaven- the knock out argument

Postby skepticgriggsy » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:18 pm

David Ramsay Steele in ' Atheism Explained: from Folly to Philosophy," notes that if in Heaven free will and a guarantee no to do wrong rules, then it'd be consistent to have us here also with free will and that guarantee. This is no hobgoblin of little minds.
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Re: The problem of Heaven- the knock out argument

Postby skepticgriggsy » Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:57 pm

Besides this logcal problem, there is Wiliam Rowe's the evidental problem from evil. It is probablistic. Either suffice.
Carneades asks what is the greater good for the pig when grilled? Or to be more persuasive, what is that greater good that stems form the Shoa and the Arab-Jew enmity?
How do you try to exonerate Him? Or do you agre with me?
And please, no Buy-bull-thumping!
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Re: The problem of Heaven- the knock out argument

Postby skepticgriggsy » Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:57 pm

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Re: The problem of Heaven- the knock out argument

Postby Exrev » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:03 pm

skepticgriggsy wrote:test


FAIL
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Re: The problem of Heaven- the knock out argument

Postby skepticgriggsy » Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:33 pm

Exrev, yes to your signature! Fr. Meslier would have said :" Oui!" Yes1
This argument is gaining ground.I daresay that Alvin Plantinga did not gainsay the logical problem from evil as this particular apsect eviscerates all defenses and theodicies, I find.
The Eden myth is so silly whether literally or metaphorically. And it and the need for salvation from the divine protection racket and the Atonement add further evil on putative God! :oops:
Please, add your comments pertaining to this apsect or any of the problem of evil. :D
Hume states that Epicurus raises the problem of evil, but someone, without mentining Hume, states no. he did not so state. :oops:


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Exrev, that post was that. And what grade do you give to the problem of Heaven?
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