Yeah sorry I didn't realize that it was this confusing. I have my opinions on the Yahweh God. When I say God in relation to Atheism, Its the entity that Jesus/Yahweh was invented to try to describe. So Yes I have a belief about Jesus/Yahweh I can see why people would propose Yahweh as an answer for things just doesn't seem to reelect anything of value once I read his holy book. So people had this vague description of what they Thought God was, because things were hard to explain in a pre-science civilization, so they made up this Yahweh to try to fit him into this mold of what God was supposed to be. I find that to be more convincing than Yahweh being this Entity we call God.ChristianHeretic wrote:Again, the problem with this discussion, this is what it SOUNDS like you're saying (However, I'm thoroughly confused again, so please correct me where I'm wrong):
Q: Do you believe in God? Don't know what you mean by God.
A: No, "I don't have any beliefs about God." Because I don't know what you mean by God.
Q: Ok, so you're agnostic about the God of Christianity? Yes, and so are you.
A: Oh, the God of Christianity? No, the God of Christianity is "just a man made construct" I find it more reasonable to conclude that its made up yes.
Q: But isn't this an opinion about God? And based on the definition above, isn't this opinion a "belief"? I didn't say I don't have a belief about Jesus/Yahweh.
A: Yes. N/A
Q: So you DO have a belief about God? No, unless you want to limit the definition to Jesus/Yahweh
A: No, no beliefs about God, just any God currently proposed... Depends
Q: So which God in particular don't you have beliefs about? A deist God i guess.
A: I don't know, propose another God and I'll tell you if I have an opinion about Him. Once you do I will join you in trying to find any evidence of its existence. unless you just make stuff up then we would have a hard task ahead of us.
Q: So basically, you have a belief that every currently proposed God is a "man made construct", but you have no beliefs about the countless other possibilities of Gods? IF you make a claim which is either Demonstrably wrong, as some aspects Christianity. Or one with absolutely no way to determine one way of the other, then we are just left speculating on how things could be rather than trying to find out how they are.
A: Yes. N/AOk, I would probably agree with you, of those things that have yet to be proposed, I am also either agnostic or have no beliefs about them. So in the future, I will be clearer on my question. Do you believe the Christian God exists? And I think your answer to this is not "I don't know." It sounds like your answer is, "No, I don't believe the Christian God exists." Therefore, you have an opinion/belief about the Christian God. I think...
For starters I don't know what to make of the word God, what attributes it has, what Desires(if its even capable of desires) I don't know. Your definition of God however is subject to testable scientific scrutiny. The Muslim God is not the same thing as God. We don't have to prove that the God of the Muslims is false before we can say the God of the Christians is true.(same god anyway but just different view of him i guess so I think Zeus would be a better example to compare Allah to)
I think i see the problem, When you say God. you mean Jesus. Since I don't believe Jesus is God when I say God I mean something else. IF you could prove that the Only definition of God could mean Jesus. then I think I would be more comfortable saying I not only don't believe in God. but I believe that God does not exist. Well I don't think you could prove that God Has to either be Jesus or not exist, so I don't see that topic going anywhere. Also there are tons of different variations of Jesus. So it would still be troublesome to pin down one definition. I don't want to get into it anyway.