Keep The Reason wrote:What I am here to do is to show other people who come here and read these damned things that the theist consistently cannot mount a rational, cohesive, and convincing argument for their theism. And they have been unable to do so for quite a few thousand years.
What I can't stress enough is that Christianity is a historically based religion. The resurrection of Jesus and the birth of the first Christians is something that pretty much happened simultaneously. Had Jesus not been resurrected then the GOSPEL i.e. Good News wouldn't have spread hence I wouldn't be here today calling myself a Christian because the first Christians wouldn't have given birth to OTHER Christians. I really don't know what else to tell you. HISTORY.
Keep The Reason wrote:"You are reading it out of context"
KTR: "I murdered someone last night..."
RTF: "What?! That's horrible!"
KTR: "...In my dreams"
Context is everything. Quoting half verses and the like is deceiving and unfair to the Word. Maybe that's why the person that has ACTUALLY read the Bible sees why it's logical instead of the one that HASN'T entirely? It's like me calling you a murderer because you said that's what you did. You KNOW it wasn't actually a murder but me being blind to the rest of the story makes it so and apparently that's proof enough??
Keep The Reason wrote:"It's an analogy!"
This is of course THE biggest 'problem' with the Bible and something that should be looked at very seriously. I completely agree with you that some Christians blur the lines of what's real and just an analogy. Something you have to know about me is that I was raised Catholic but it never did anything for me because personally I see the Catholic church as powerless. I feared God instead of understanding that He loved US first and forgave our sins. I've only just recently come to terms what it really means to be a Christian and therefore have started from zero. I'm still studying the NT in depth and haven't touched the OT yet. So as for the whole 'analogy' discussion I guess I'm still figuring it out for myself. Sorry that I can't discuss this point properly with you!
Keep The Reason wrote:"It's a miracle, you have to accept miracles!"
This pretty much speaks for itself really. There's some people that turn to Christ BECAUSE a Christian healed them of something and that was a testimony of God's power and love for them. I think this point is more of a personal experience kind of thing. I healed my friend of a rare fever that the doctor said would last around a month. I prayed for him 3 days after he got it. Do I expect you to believe me? No. If you saw it with your own eyes would you believe then? Well, who wouldn't? Logic will tell you that there must be SOME sort of correlation between the person praying and that disease leaving the body straight after.
Keep The Reason wrote:"You must have faith!"
Well OBVIOUSLY. It's no good if I sit here whipping out verses if you don't have faith to see that God did that. Hence why I've only been talking from a historical p.o.v.
Faith literally means 'to see what God has already done'. People that say Christians are imbeciles for believing through 'blind faith' are absolutely naive. There must be SOME reason as to why I believe? I have 'seen' what God has done through the Word and to me it's logical. Faith is pretty much a different set of eyes that you use to see God and the birth of that faith is by default when you realise Jesus died for you. That's why blabbing about verses to you isn't going to do anything because if you haven't built your faith on the fact that Jesus died for you then how is me telling you anything else that leads from that useful?
Keep The Reason wrote:Remember, you claim the bible is somehow an important document for our well being. In that case, it cannot err if it is from a divine god-- there can be utterly no contradiction-- even the slightest, smallest error brings it all crashing down
Yep, and from what I've read so far so good.