Rian wrote:Then the bit you quoted was me reaching out and saying that I probably over-reacted.
My polite question, my attempt to reach out and reconcile and say I probably over-reacted (although I think it was a legitimate question and you guys overreacted), and angry atheists hit again. *shrug* I guess I should be grateful, though, because I think angry atheists help Christians.
I'm sorry that you felt your thread got derailed, but I thought it was a perfectly legitimate side-question.
While there's plenty to be angry about about theism and its impact, this side issue has nothing to do with it. I'm certainly annoyed that this thread got derailed for bullshit reasons, but what's insidious is how my legitmate dismay at that derailment is simply associated with "angry atheist-itis" by you-- which very neatly brings us back to the point of the speech and what's it's actually about.
One of the points of this not-watched speech is that "angry atheists" are not angry all the time, at every and anything, including -- oh, I don't know -- having one's topic instantly derailed. And your "angry atheist" label labors to portray us as just that-- as if we have no legitimate reason to be angry, and even if we're angry about something entirely different, nevertheless that falls under the "angry atheist" label. Sure we're angry at the injustices dealt society by religious entities, just like you're like angry over things like racism, injustice, and abuse-- but no one goes around labeling you "angry theists" because you're legitimately angry at things that one can be legitimately angry about. Nor, when you get pissed at an issue that has nothing to do with theism, do people "shrug" and say, "Well, that's angry theists for you-- endlessly angry about something
, aren't they?"
This "angry atheist" label is an underhanded ad hominem
-- as if the anger of athiests is somehow all-encompassing, and shot gun across all elements of life. It's like saying "Atheists are bitter" -- though over what is rarely descirbed -- but that somehow to be atheist one must be laboring under some burden of negativity- anger, bitterness, hatred, etc. etc. etc.
Again- if you'd have watched the speech, and if humanguy would have watched it, and if anyone watches it, they would actually gain a perspective about this label and the way it's used, and maybe think twice about throwing it around like you do yet again
-- right here in your reply!
But no. Instead, it's simply easier to adhere to close mindedness and biases, and that way you get to keep your little weapons that obscure the issues.
And here's one more take away-- if you're not angry at 99% of the things I'm angry about -- you know, like terrorism, and 9/11, and the violent supression of women, and endless blood feud wars, et al -- then maybe you should
get a lot more angry about the injustice done in this world in the name of belief in god.
Hell, even your apology
is half-assed, requiring you to claim "we guys overreacted". Wow, you ANGRY THEISTS are surely a help to we atheists! Good thing you're ALWAYS ANGRY, ABOUT EVERYTHING, thanks to your theism. Man, see what belief in god brings you? Just anger, bitter anger, every moment of every day.
But whatever you do-- don't watch the speech!