Why would God care about a person in the world crying foul if He were to choose to change the rules, rules that He made up in the first place? Why would God care about a human thinking that God couldn't handle reality as it is? For that matter, He wouldn't be much of a God, would He, if He couldn't handle the reality that He Himself made?
Aaron wrote:So is there any validity to her question? I can't see exactly where you are trying to go.
Where I'm trying to go is to see your answers to my three questions. It is noted that you cheaply dodged those questions. Now why would you do that?
Well then by all means lets answer the questions.
1. He should care because such inconsistency doesn't make any sense. Why make the rules in the first place if you are going to break them? Did He or did He not make the rules for a reason? And if He made them for a reason then what happened to the reason for making the rule when He supposedly broke them? Cannot God make up his mind? Has God no integrity to stick to His decisions? If there is a good reason to make exceptions then why did He not see that reason to begin with and if so then why not include this exception in the rule itself? I think the reason for the rules is that they are necessary for the existence of life itself and I certainly don't think that God is going to act against such necessities just because some human doesn't like what happens, but that God will do what He can for those whom He loves within those limitations that He has imposed on HImself for the sake of life itself.
2. God should care about human thinking if it is correct not because a human is thinking it but because the reasons are good and the logic is sound.
3. No He wouldn't be much of a God if could not see the consequences of the rules which He makes and thus be unable to make good rules which He Himself could abide by and then He wouldn't be much of a God if He couldn't then abide by such good rules.
Rhino wrote:God started out the bible changing the rules
It seems like God gave rules (perhaps guidelines is a more fitting term) for us to follow for our own good and those changed according to the situation at hand (different rules in Eden, different rules after God made his covenant with Israel, different rules after Jesus died and probably different rules in the new heaven and the new earth).
Yes parental commands are very different from the natural laws by which God has made it possible for life itself to exist. These are indeed guidelines that are meant for children to follow when they are at the stage of development in which they are in. Thus a command to our children not to touch the stove or to go in the street are certainly not meant to be commands which they must obey the whole of their lives but only until they understand the dangers involved. The fact is that human beings have been changing and learning and thus the guidlines which they needed at one stage of development are not necessarily going to applicable for all time.
Childish complaints that parents are changing the rules when they have broken the rules are typical of the whining two year olds who don't want to face up the consequences of their own actions.
Aaron wrote:However I can't see how God's position on sin - the thing which the Bible says affected our relation to him - has ever changed. Once introduced sin has always been a problem which needed a remedy.
Yes bad habits which destroy our free will and potentiality remain bad habits to be avoided because there are consequences to them that continue to be detrimental.
Aaron wrote:It was not as though God said at first, "Sin is something I cannot allow into my presence and it will be a barrier between me and humans until it is removed", and then after a while changed his mind and said, "Ah well I see now sin is just part of what humans are, I can let some stuff slide and just accept you for who you are". That seems to me to be what Sam had in mind, that God just stop being such a stickler and just let go of his stance on perfection, to change his rules.
But let us be clear however that God did not say any such thing as "Sin is something I cannot allow into my presence" and it is certainly NOT consistent with the behavior of Jesus. So although thinking that God would say such a thing as this is consistent with the religion of the Pharisees it is NOT consistent with anything that can be called Christian. Thus the self-righteousness of the gnostic legalism is NOT Christianity and has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus, however much they may say "Lord, Lord" and that they are doing things in His name.
But it is certainly true that some of the bad habits of human beings, such as the will to blame everything but ourselves for the consequences of our own actions, is barrier between God and human beings because it makes God presence and involvement in their lives something which can no longer be to their benefit.