VickiRW wrote:The inability of atheists to have meaning and morality.
StaggerLee wrote:Oh, and as for morality, a lot can be said for the difference in thoughtfulness between a Christian who says you have no morals and one who says you have no grounding for them.
VickiRW wrote:StaggerLee wrote:Oh, and as for morality, a lot can be said for the difference in thoughtfulness between a Christian who says you have no morals and one who says you have no grounding for them.
I agree, though I do find both irritating. For the later, I think it is a poor argument because, as I see it, their problems with my grounding apply equally to god-based morality. This disagreement is "irritation worthy" for me because it plays into the hands of the former who would say I have no morals. In other words, I have a lot more tolerance for harmless disagreements than ones that support prejudice.
VickiRW wrote:Yes, I completely agree. Sam Harris wants to claim objective morality, but his argument there seems a stretch to me. To be objective, it seems it has to be measured against some standard. I think shared human values is enough of a standard, but I appreciate the counterclaim that it isn't and Harris doesn't knock the counter claim out as far as I can see.
Dr. Pepper wrote:Hey everyone!
As a believer these two annoy me:
1) Faith is not logical - There are logical reasons for both sides to believe what they believe.
2) The world would be better without religion - Good things and bad things are done by atheists and christians.
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