Dr Mundo wrote: You know I don't care what you believe, so long as it doesn't harm others right?
Dr Mundo wrote:So far I have been unimpressed by any claim to knowledge that a theists claims to have regarding his/her God.
mitchellmckain wrote:So far Moonwood and I have been unimpressed by your amateurish forays into epistemology. You are not required to be impressed by the claims to subjective knowledge of others. You are only required to LIKEWISE accept that any claim you make to the contrary must be no less subjective. So they are not science (or anything else you care to define by such a standard), if you have no interest in things that do not accept such a standard then by all means avoid religion, and don't look too closely at your own knowledge claims either.
Moonwood the Hare wrote:Mitch - while I think you are fundamentally right your tone is a bit harsh and dismissive. I think Dr Mundo while being unimpressed with our arguments does want to give them another shot.
Give them another shot at what? Doing that which we repeatedly tell him that they can never do? I don't even understand "harsh" and dismissive. That it is the truth seems like the end of it to me. I don't even see the relevance that you think it is "harsh" and "dismissive". Shall we pretend that something is not the truth because people might think the truth is harsh or dismissive? I don't understand that, AND I certainly don't think that most atheist would care that what they declare is harsh and dismissive, ONLY that it is the truth as they understand it. Please remember that this is the way that I was raised, after all.
Dr Mundo wrote:Yeah MW is right. I guess we speak in different voices. This is something Mitch and I have never been able to get over. I didn't type that to be disrespectful or insulting.
And I do not understand how what I said can be construed as disrespectful and insulting if what you said is not. In BOTH cases what was said can be construed as disrespectful and insulting and in BOTH case they can be construed otherwise. I don't insist on doing in one way with one and another way with the other and I cannot understand how you can do this yourself. Why would you not extend the same courtesy and benefit of the doubt that you expect of me???
Dr Mundo wrote: What I meant was that the arguments to present information regarding god claims are very weak in terms of demonstrability.
I have stipulated over and over that they are not only subjective and impossible to demonstrate but that they are necessarily so.
Dr Mundo wrote: I see no convincing evidence supporting any of your claims about God.
Yes you have said so many times and my response is simply... understood. I have, after all, repeatedly defended the rationality of the atheist postion.
Dr Mundo wrote: Not only that, but God claims have been around for a very long time and still have yet to produce any good argument or even a hint of evidence to their favor.
Incorrect they have produced many arguments that a great many people have thought are very good and produced all kinds of evidence that many people think "suggest" that their views are correct. BUT I have repeatedly explained that they never will produce any evidence which objective or offer any argument that will convince most skeptics.